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California Proposition 8
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RE: California Proposition 8
(November 19, 2008 at 1:50 pm)Daystar Wrote: How, though, is your view of religions the same as your view of supernatural? They are both bullshit? If so I could go halfway with you on that. Religion can easily be seen as that, but how can you base an opinion on something you don't know (supernatural) unless it is based upon ignorance and some undisclosed political and or social agenda?
I base my opinion on what I have observed (obviously very limited) and what others have tested and shown (still limited but the limits are being continually pushed back). That opinion is that there is nothing supernatural at all (and belief in a god(s) is belief in a supernatural being).
A word other than "atheist" would be preferable since the "theist" part is explicitly "belief in a god", but that is the one we seem to have. It is not surprising really since disbelief in the "big" supernatural element in one's life (or other's lives) is usually the first major step towards non-belief in all supernatural things.

As I've said before, I am taking what others say on "faith" (with no religious overtones intended, I just accept what they say) since I have not personally done most of the experiments to show various things that are not immediately obvious (eg: the fact the Earth is spherical-ish, as far as I can tell it is flat, it always looks flat to me (with a few bumps)).

However, I more easily accept new "theories" that fit in with my current world view (as does everyone), *but* different ideas are accepted and taken as "true" if they can provide evidence that the new idea is a better description of what is observed (not necessarily observed by me I should point out).
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California Proposition 8 - by Meatball - November 14, 2008 at 11:55 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by leo-rcc - November 15, 2008 at 6:39 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by infidel666 - November 15, 2008 at 11:39 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Eilonnwy - November 17, 2008 at 2:05 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 17, 2008 at 4:56 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Dotard - December 15, 2008 at 11:04 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by CoxRox - December 15, 2008 at 11:38 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Jason Jarred - November 17, 2008 at 8:19 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - November 17, 2008 at 9:13 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 17, 2008 at 11:02 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Jason Jarred - November 17, 2008 at 11:27 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 17, 2008 at 11:37 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Jason Jarred - November 18, 2008 at 1:13 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - November 19, 2008 at 11:07 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by infidel666 - November 18, 2008 at 1:42 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 18, 2008 at 11:00 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by chatpilot - November 18, 2008 at 11:30 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by leo-rcc - November 18, 2008 at 11:46 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by chatpilot - November 19, 2008 at 10:44 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 19, 2008 at 1:50 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - November 19, 2008 at 2:40 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Jason Jarred - November 19, 2008 at 6:49 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 19, 2008 at 10:58 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by allan175 - November 20, 2008 at 5:03 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by infidel666 - November 20, 2008 at 10:19 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 20, 2008 at 2:16 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Tiberius - November 18, 2008 at 1:24 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 18, 2008 at 1:55 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by allan175 - November 19, 2008 at 5:18 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by infidel666 - November 19, 2008 at 1:12 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Jason Jarred - November 19, 2008 at 3:09 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 19, 2008 at 10:05 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by allan175 - November 19, 2008 at 11:22 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by leo-rcc - November 20, 2008 at 3:03 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by infidel666 - November 20, 2008 at 4:17 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by leo-rcc - November 20, 2008 at 4:53 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Tiberius - November 20, 2008 at 7:47 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 20, 2008 at 7:53 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by infidel666 - November 20, 2008 at 10:31 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 20, 2008 at 11:19 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by infidel666 - November 21, 2008 at 12:44 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 21, 2008 at 2:57 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by infidel666 - November 21, 2008 at 11:16 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by chatpilot - November 21, 2008 at 1:12 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by chatpilot - November 22, 2008 at 12:44 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by CoxRox - November 22, 2008 at 5:29 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by chatpilot - November 22, 2008 at 5:43 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by CoxRox - November 22, 2008 at 6:03 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by lukec - December 3, 2008 at 5:09 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - December 3, 2008 at 5:27 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by chatpilot - December 15, 2008 at 10:06 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by CoxRox - December 16, 2008 at 1:58 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by chatpilot - December 16, 2008 at 5:27 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by leo-rcc - December 16, 2008 at 5:44 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by CoxRox - December 16, 2008 at 5:59 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by leo-rcc - December 16, 2008 at 6:28 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Dotard - December 17, 2008 at 11:38 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - December 17, 2008 at 11:52 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by chatpilot - December 17, 2008 at 1:07 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - December 17, 2008 at 1:09 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by chatpilot - December 17, 2008 at 1:14 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by CoxRox - December 17, 2008 at 1:14 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - December 17, 2008 at 1:20 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by leo-rcc - December 17, 2008 at 2:02 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - December 17, 2008 at 2:08 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by leo-rcc - December 17, 2008 at 2:16 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - December 17, 2008 at 8:38 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Jason Jarred - December 17, 2008 at 7:25 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Dotard - December 18, 2008 at 12:01 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - December 18, 2008 at 12:09 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Dotard - December 18, 2008 at 11:16 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - December 18, 2008 at 12:33 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Dotard - December 18, 2008 at 10:54 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - December 18, 2008 at 11:00 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Dotard - December 19, 2008 at 7:41 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - December 20, 2008 at 1:22 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Meatball - December 20, 2008 at 5:49 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by leo-rcc - December 23, 2008 at 11:39 am

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