RE: 3 reasons for Christians to start questionng their faith
April 2, 2013 at 10:18 am
(This post was last modified: April 2, 2013 at 10:25 am by radorth.)
(March 27, 2013 at 7:19 am)smax Wrote: As someone who spent over 25 years practicing the Christian faith, and who has since found greater liberty and personal fulfillment outside of that practice,
We begin with a testimony we must take by faith? Please prove you "practiced the faith"? Did you do everything the sermon on the Mount instructed you to do? Did you have "rivers of living water" flowing from you rinnermost being, as Jesus said true believers would experience? If so, please describe this experience. If not, at least admit you missed a few milestones.
Quote:Christianity fails to substantiate even the most basic of it’s claims, such as the life, death, and resurrection of Christ. But even more compelling is the fact that the story of Jesus is part of a collection of books filled with scientific impossibilities, contradictions, and bogus history.
Actually the rules of logic dictate that you prove the Bible writers are liars, at least those who speak first or second hand, as required in a court of law. Stories like the Flood story or Creation are a valid exception, since we don't even have second hand witnesses. The rest you have to prove false. Otherwise you are just slandering or libelling people with no accountability yourself, and without them being able to answer you.
Quote:Christopher Hitchens once said, “The bible makes magnificent claims, we should require magnificent proof.”
More crappy logic I'm afraid. Are you sure your logic professor agreed?
Quote:Now, of course, Christians will counter that by saying, “God must leave plenty of room for faith”. There are, however, two fundamental problems with that perspective:
Well no, I would say that when you ignore his will so completely, disobey 15 of the the 10 commandments, knock off his prophets, and finally kill his son, he has no reason to even speak to you until you are ready to listen.
Quote:(a) It leaves far too much room for error. If faith is the primary driving force behind a person’s belief, what is to stop them from believing in any number of other religious ideas or practices? Faith without first having good reason is meaningless.
Exactly right!! I totally agree. So what other faith saves a thief at the last moment? What other faith has nine gifts of the Holy Spirit, none of which you seem to have experienced yourself? What other faith can brag to have had the likes of 55 American founders, a John Locke, and ALL the abolitionists as followers? Those who have actually tried Christianity have all kinds of reasons.
Quote:Moses, for example was shown a burning bush, which actually spoke to him and very specifically declared:
....Even at that, Moses still had his doubts, so he was given even more undeniable evidence, as well as the power to demonstrate his god ordained purpose to others. (Exodus Chapter 3)
Yes I can agree, those who had such experiences are more likely to believe. You apparently never did, so note how you are contradictiong yourself. You said you "practiced the faith" but had no such experience? First you tell us you practiced it, then you say one should get to see a miracle before being asked to practice it. In your case that is obviously true, but there are other experiences Jesus promised which are plenty of proof for me, like spontaneous speaking in tongues, etc.
Quote:In contrast, Christianity offers no practical solution for the survival and success of man kind, and instead trivializes human life while promoting completely unstubstantiated claims of an eternal spiritual existence beyond the grave.
Well since you can't show me anyone who has actually practiced what Jesus preached, your claim here is completely unfounded. Not to mention, nobody had Bibles to read untl 300 years ago.
Quote:With that in mind, is it any wonder why Christians throughout history have committed so many terrible atrocities? Once you strip a human being of his regard for human life (especially his own) with promises of eternal and spiritual prosperity, you create a potentially homicidal maniac that will do anything in the name of god.
Um, didn't you know that it was the Christians who first freed their slaves, in such massive numbers that Constantine had to make rules about it? Did you not know John Locke beieved every word of the NT and Jefferson called him one of the three "greatest men in the world". ? Did you not know what happened when "reason" was worshipped during the French Revolution? What atrocities occurred? (Called Voltaire's war by some, and a true bloodbath) Did you not know that 70 million innocent people were killed by atheistic government experiments like Communism. And the reason is, there not only was no objective moral standard, but no one had an "internal policeman" at all. Hence the police state is inevitable. But of course you got all your morals from thin air, unlike Jefferson, who explicitly said he got them form Jesus. Since you trust scientists, you might want to read Werner Von' Brauns take on the value of belief in a Judgement Day. (It should be obvious)
Quote:I’m not sure which is the more wishful thinking: that the heaven of the bible exists at all, or that it's actually a place worth going to.
I've been there and you haven't, obviously. So I think I'll decide that for myself.