(April 4, 2013 at 8:59 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I'm not sure if I understand what we'd be agreeing to disagree on, or whether we have a fundamental disagreement in philosophy.
(besides, I'm starved for a decent convo with a person who I don't loathe,)
I have no problem with digging until we reach the core of an issue but I think we arrived at it when we got to how I value civilization as a goal.
It's kind of like how in my Consumer Behavior class I took in business school, a customer/consumer has a core value that he/she is trying to fulfill in buying a product. One survey I remember was where customers were asked about a brand they buy and there was a series of "Why is that important to you? ...and why is that important to you? ...and why is that important to you?" questions asked, digging deeper until the customer finally answered "it just is." Usually this point would be over general happiness, long life, health, social life, etc. Something the customer was ultimately pursuing and thought the brand was a means to that end. And there was no answering WHY that goal was important. It was just a value, a matter of taste.
Why do we prefer life over death, happiness over sorrow, pleasure over pain? No logical reason need be offered. We just do.
Similarly with Statler/Elunico13 asking why we prefer to use science and reason without offering a logical answer, that doing so would somehow be circular reasoning, is demanding an answer where none is required. We're buying a product that we feel will meet our needs. It's a matter of choice and preference.
Why is civilization preferable to the wild? It's a means by which a species can become greater, can learn about the cosmos, can create art, philosophy and scientific advancement. Why is that important? It just is.
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
