(April 5, 2013 at 10:30 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(April 5, 2013 at 10:24 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: Ah this is were I can help you out, yes on its own a mouse trap needs it parts to work but all of the components for it could have been used for many other things, like the wooden board could have been a door stop or the spring used to make a childs toy or the metal bar used for a mini football post, but instead they were used for a mousetrap as it was a design that was simple and effective, there were probably a few prototypes before the most efficient design was made (although those prototypes may now have a new porpose), inface some parts of creates have been used for something else or had a seconadry purpose with had a unexpected adavatage. Also as time goes on the design well get more effiance and new designs will be made but it all would have desended from that first 'design'. Your thinking that everything is not connected, were everything is and your ignoring the predecessors that came before and that each compent may have had a different job before coming together in that mouse trap.
But that's not how it appears in nature. It appears more analogous to the mouse trap example. That each part has a purpose, and not a bunch of unconnected purposes.
I know what your saying, and Michael Behe addresses this. The problem is the direction. You need direction. You can't have something be useful at one thing, and another thing being useful at another thing, and somehow they are heading towards being connected to a system, they will work better at what they are good at and develop towards that, and not be heading towards a system, and this many many many things working together...not just a few. There is no mechanism by naturalism model leading towards that. How does natural selection make it head towards a system, as opposed to keep improving what each part is good at (when they weren't a system)?
At the very least, science still gives us the appearance of design.
Yes it looks like it's designed but its not, its like winning the lottery the chance of correctly choosing the next 5 people who will win the jackpot, this chance of that happened are huge but 5 will win and if those 5 don't then others will take their place, just like evolution. A organism will develop a mutation of there body, that chance of them developing one particular mutation are beyond huge but something will develop and that's the beautiful part, something will, whether it will help or hinder will be dependant on the environment.so it looks designed because it the most effecant design for that envioment and anything that will hinder will be lost and neutrel mutations will be keep and end up as junk DNA when the part is not needed. That Evotution in a nutshell.
Anyway back to the main topic.
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"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain