3 reasons for Christians to start questionng their faith

[Mr_Dew7]

According to the Scientific Method, all valid scientific claims such as proofs or theories are universally limited to being based on data that is observable & repeatable in a controlled environment.

All to true .............. So where is your data?

There is the Bible and numerous extra biblical sources out there, go ahead, Google it. It's just that you do not wish to here the evidence provided for the miraculous. What of those who see Jesus today? Should we just discount them and their stories because we don't wish to believe what they say? What of the healing miracles that take place even in our own country today?

How then can we subject God, miracles, and heaven to the scientific method?

The same way we subject Climate change, the growth of a foetus, the changing of the seasons and the Sunspot cycles of our star Sol
Aren't each of those things observable and repeatable though? Yes!

We can not observe God in a repeatable and controlled environment, neither can science deny the possibility of miracles, as it does not fall under the criteria of the scientific method.

Yeah ...funny about that, yet we can observe dark matter, and sub-atomic particles. Science can deny your "miracles" easily .... have you just learnt to read?

Yes we can observe all created things, even miracles, but how do you expect to put God, the creator who was not created, into any environment that He does not wish to be put? How do you propose that we do.that?

So there is no way for me to provide you with a scientific methodology for something that science cannot methodize.

Suffice to say your god is non-existent? Even Quarks leave a trace of where they were.

There are traces! Remember what I said before? Don't seek, don't find. How will you find evidence of God when you don't believe that you will find anything? How can I expect to recieve something that I know I'm not going to get? I knew I would find evidence of God, and I did. If you don't want it, then how will you find it?

The scientific method automatically discards anything that is not repeatable, observable, and recordable.

No. Incorrect thinking here. The scientific method takes into account that things are not repeatable and therefore are bunkum/bullshit. The scientific method will strive to observe the "unobservable" aka Large Hadron Collider. The scientific method records EVERYTHING and leaves nothing out in it's deliberations of a conclusion. You really were asleep in science class weren't you?

All statements to the effect that there is no evidence for your deity just like there is no evidence for Zeus/ Odin/ Dagda/ Shiva/ or any other of the 3,000 odd deities and lesser mythical creatures that mankind has dreamt up from the bowels of fear over the past 6,000 years since the last glaciation period

So if you can't control it, then its not real? That makes sense.. <-------sarcasm

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According to the Scientific Method, all valid scientific claims such as proofs or theories are universally limited to being based on data that is observable & repeatable in a controlled environment.How then can we subject God, miracles, and heaven to the scientific method?

Well if god wants to play hide and seek...

We can not observe God in a repeatable and controlled environment,

Because he doesn't want to be...apparently.

neither can science deny the possibility of miracles,

Neither can science deny the possibility of magical unicorns in space.

So its fallible in more than one area?

as it does not fall under the criteria of the scientific method.

This is the closest we can get: [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.

I went to that url but it said the page was lost, is there another source?

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So there is no way for me to provide you with a scientific methodology for something that science cannot methodize. The scientific method automatically discards anything that is not repeatable, observable, and recordable.

If god is intent on hiding, he will be able to do so. Being omniscient, though, he must also realize that his refusal to show himself to anyone who might prove his existence conclusively (as opposed to ancient people who had little understanding of science), then some people won't believe in him.

That's the problem here I suppose. Do all atheists refuse to hear proof from anyone who isn't a scientist? Not intending to be rude I am just very curious about this.

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Where will you go when you die?

To my final resting, which is a far better outcome than eternal sevitude and constant ass kissing.

Ass kissing? Great choice of words... Let me ask you, have you personally read the descriptions of heaven in the Bible?

Great.. sounds... great.

I don't know that it sounds great, but it certainly doesn't sound bad. The idea of a supreme being enslaving me for an eternity sounds every bit as bad as hell.

Heaven, a place with zero pain, and everything we could ever dream of sounds better than spending eternity in a lake. Of. Fire. ? Eternal torment and horrible pain?

In fact, the concept of hell being merely an asbence from this overbearing, egotistical, slave driver who's idea of bliss is having everyone and everything kiss his ass every second of the day, doesn't sound nearly as bad.

Both places, however, are the product of human imagination and invention. There's absolutely zero evidence of either place. None.

None that you have sought out or seen for yourself. I am willing to look at your evidence but anything that comes from anywhere else but science is automatically discarded in your mind.


But from your response, I can see that you don't base your view on evidence, but rather what makes you feel good.

I'm just still a little surprised that the heaven being proposed makes people feel good. Perhaps some of you hard core Christians should conduct an experiment:

Pretend one of the congregants is god, and then a few of you should make up a room that has his name and praises of him plastered everywhere in that room. Then have one of your fellow congregants lock the few of you, and your god, in that room for just 2 days. During that 2 days, the few of you are to sing and praise this god all day and all night, non stop.

If, after you are all released from this room, you find yourself wanting back in, then I'd say you are onto something with this hope of yours.

If, however, you find yourselfs, and this god, all terribly sick and tired of the entire experiment, you might want to reconsider your position.

Just saying.

Why would I do that? That is nothing like heaven, and why would I sing praise to anyone pretending to be God?