Let me break it down for you.
Of course it affects all of a believers life. It underpin our thinking and our actions. It's pretty unbelievable to you yes, because you don't understand why. I know why I believe. I understand the reasoning I followed to adopt the belief.
I don't need you to convince me of that. You seem to be saying the same as me, but then try to convince me of it. I don't need to prove it... I live and breathe it and know my fellow Christians do too.
2. No. Why should it concern me when?
3. Yeah we're living it.
So what is messed up? Ickle you who just rejects good and chooses to be good and bad, and gets off scott free just like Hitler who was pretty twisted and did some horendous stuff? This is your reality. Pretty dire isn't it?
1. false assumption on your part there.
"Innocent like children" does not equal "all children are innocent".
Only a being capable of knowing the future could know if a child, or all of a persons decendants, turns out to be unforgivably (sic) evil right?
2. Jesus existed before time as God according to John. The divine revelation was acted out as it was destined to. Amid that process God appeared differently, but all the time God was unchanging.
(April 11, 2013 at 1:18 am)missluckie26 Wrote: Hiya Fr0d0. I don't believe you can be a believer without it affecting every decision in your life. As sane and rational your conversations with others of your religion might be: when it comes down to it, you believe some pretty unbelievable stuff which is impossible to quarantine from the rest of your life. You live your life, by it. Every way you look, you see what it dictates that you see. It's easy to go to church and be with a bunch of other people, and project what you believe on them. Don't believe me?
Of course it affects all of a believers life. It underpin our thinking and our actions. It's pretty unbelievable to you yes, because you don't understand why. I know why I believe. I understand the reasoning I followed to adopt the belief.
I don't need you to convince me of that. You seem to be saying the same as me, but then try to convince me of it. I don't need to prove it... I live and breathe it and know my fellow Christians do too.
(April 11, 2013 at 1:18 am)missluckie26 Wrote: Just put out an anonymous questionnaire. I'll help you make it.1. God isn't soft. God's justice is real... or there is no fairness in the world and hopelessness prevails. Victorian ideas of hell fire are of that era. Preaching hate is anti Christ. I know there are such christians around today that do this.
1. Do you believe in hell? yes, no, hell isn't really a lake of fire kinda hell, or god has to be saving people from hell to be the god I know and worship
2. Do you believe the second coming of Christ will happen in your lifetime?
3. Do you believe in a Holy war which will not end until Christ returns?
2. No. Why should it concern me when?
3. Yeah we're living it.
(April 11, 2013 at 1:18 am)missluckie26 Wrote: If you believe in there being a hell that can quantitatively torment Hitler for the blood on his hands: then you also believe that I am going to hell. For nothing other than rejecting god. That in itself, is messed up.No it isn't. You can and do (just like any human) put yourself through hell most days. This is you pulling yourself apart from God and his desire for you to be fulfilled and happy. Part of that hell is you unable to forgive where God can forgive anything. What I and Christians believe that you can't, is that justice prevails. Hitler (/insert person with a lot of bad acts to forgive here) will pay his dues just like anyone else. We believe in a posthumous judge where you're limited to the injustice of life served out in a persons lifetime. Hitler might have pretty much got away with it, and many people might feel that justice wasn't served.
So what is messed up? Ickle you who just rejects good and chooses to be good and bad, and gets off scott free just like Hitler who was pretty twisted and did some horendous stuff? This is your reality. Pretty dire isn't it?
(April 11, 2013 at 1:18 am)missluckie26 Wrote: And you're wrong, I can see still what it is you see.Everything you say is evidence of the opposite.
(April 11, 2013 at 1:18 am)missluckie26 Wrote: It's just that I can see too, what you refuse to see--or what you overlook in your belief that god is the allmighty and powerful and just god.And what is that exactly? You agree with bastardisation of the text that support your bias?
(April 11, 2013 at 1:18 am)missluckie26 Wrote: Let's start with just. god being just. You brought up that verse about him being just.
In the bible it states in gods own words that children and babies and mentally defectives are innocent.
Then god orders babies slashed from the mothers' wombs on grounds that their parents were morally bankrupt. (1)
In the new testament it says god does not change. So just because jesus died on the cross does not mean that the god of the OT is any
different now than he was before. Revelations pretty much cements that too. (2)
1. false assumption on your part there.
"Innocent like children" does not equal "all children are innocent".
Only a being capable of knowing the future could know if a child, or all of a persons decendants, turns out to be unforgivably (sic) evil right?
2. Jesus existed before time as God according to John. The divine revelation was acted out as it was destined to. Amid that process God appeared differently, but all the time God was unchanging.
