(April 15, 2013 at 11:31 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: So we have our first candidate for the set x; we need to believe that Jesus was the Son of God. See, this isn't too hard Drich!Ah, no. We are told in the bible that no one can believe unless God open their mind heart and eyes. Christ said all that is needed for God to do this is for one to have a mustard seeds worth of faith.
Which is where A/S/K comes in. it is the pratical application of that faith.
Belief can not happen unless God opens you to it. God has stated that He has closed your heart and mind to Him unless your first humble yourself before Him.
Quote:Which he hasn't. A Tibetan monk raised that way as a kid will be engulfed in flames for all eternity for something he didn't do nor something he could have avoided thanks to your god's faulty divine plan.How do you know this? No one can know who enters Heaven and who does not. Christ said, "No man comes to the Father but by Him." Meaning only Christ is suitable to judge. Not 'No man come to the Father but through christianity.' (In fact many who claim Christianity will not enter Heaven according to Christ per mat 7)
We've had this discussion before. Christianity is not the only way to Christ. it is the easiest, but not the only one. Lest you think there are only Christians in Heaven.. Which would mean everyone before Christ (David Abraham, solomon, Isaac, etc... are all in Hell because they were born at the wrong time. Christ is the ultimate judge not christianity.
Quote:Delusion 11 is the last thing you should be bringing up. Clearly you haven't understood the problem of non-belief. The Tibetan monk won't ever come across Delusion 11, nor will an Eskimo, or exotic tribes hidden in rain forests. All these will burn to a crisp for something they were completely unaware of.Misconception 1: You believe that only formula/"x" will be found suitable before Christ. Again only Christ is suitiable to judge, but I believe there are many tibetian monks who know Christ better than some of our 'christian' TV ministers.
Quote:Your 'visit' to hell should be able to answer this about if x is known.It does for me completely. and I am sure your visit (Or whatever God has in store for you) would do for you, if you only sought it out earnestly.
Quote:Luke warm believers are on the fence for a reason;Not fence sitters. Look at the list Christ compiled. These men did/will do a great number of things in his name. They will do so because they know who and what Christ is otherwise they would not have access to the gifts of the Spirit needed to accomplish these feats. Luke warm believers are those who simple go through the motions. I've called them Check list Christians. They see worship as a check list and strive to check as many things off of that list as possiable, all the while ignoring the primary reason for worship, thereby ignoring our greatest command.
Quote: the evidence/reasoning for the Bible to be true is inconclusive. Divine Plan Epic Fail.Misconception 2. That all people have the same limited exposure to God that you and your peers have elected to have.
Again if you do not have it is because you have not Asked, Sought, or knocked as outlined in Luke 11.
Quote:Get your head out of your butt. You point to someone who was lucky enough to bump into the "truth" of the cosmos because they were born in the Western world and then they ruined it for themselves? Umm... Tibetan monk? Eskimos? Exotic tribes unexposed to the outside world? Australian Aboriginals isolated from us for around 40 000 years?I refer back to misconception number 1. (That people need a specific exposure to Christ.) When in fact God only holds us accountable to what we have been given. To the one who does not know of Christianity then God does not expect them to be Christian (The whole of the OT interactions with God and His prophets are a very good biblical examples of this.)
Quote:Seriously, get your head out of your butt. You never seize to sicken me in one way or another..Do you not understand what that passage means or who it refers to?
Jesus is speaking to 'Christians' Or rather those who call themselves Christians, not to those who know nothing of Christ.