Are you for or against the separation of church and state?

[Godscreated]

Here's some stats on teen abortion rates, it's convenient because this is also based on rate per 1,000 teens, so it's comparable to the graph I posted earlier on Teen Pregnancy rates. Here's the chart: http://www.childtrendsdatabank.org/sites...7_fig1.jpg and here's the site: http://www.childtrendsdatabank.org/?q=node/175
The site states:

Government estimates indicate that teen abortion rates increased during the 1970s, stabilized during the 1980s at around 43 per 1,000 females ages 15 to 19, then decreased steadily to about 18 per 1,000 by 2008. Declines have been greatest for older teens, but all age groups have followed similar patterns. (Figure 2)

Note, Figure 2, is the first link.
So… Teen pregnancy rate in 2008 = 41.5 per 1,000
Teen abortion rate in 2008 = 18 per 1,000
And just by looking at the graph, one can plainly see that teen abortion rates have declined significantly since the 1980's. I don't think your theory that all these teens are having abortions holds water, GC.

I did not say all teens were having abortions, but the stats you give are right at 45% of the pregnancies are aborted, that is a significant amount, many murders to reduces the number of babies born to teens. Yes birth control prior to sex is preferable to murder, but the fact is murder is still unacceptable.
As for the crime rate I should have looked closer, the total crime rate jumped in 1964, one year after God was pushed out of public schools. Going to summers site one can click on crimes per farther down the page. The total crime rate did not diminish until law enforcement was greatly increased and even with that the crime rate in 2008 was many times higher than 1964, all this is from the same info source. Better than jumping back and forth.

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You are seriously one sick person, the Christians did not commit the crimes, the law was the law and those who did not like it broke it. My father lived during those years, I have first hand knowledge of the times. Because he saw what happened during the twenties, he made a statement to me before he died. He said soon there will be an event similar to the great depression, I asked him how he could know that, his answer, nothings changed man's doing the same thing now that lead to the disaster of '29.' His take, money corrupts and can corrupt completely.

No, the Christians did not commit the crimes, they are simply responsible for creating an environment ripe for organized criminal activity by attempting to force the entire nation to conform to Christian behavioral standards, and that is just as bad. It was a bad law inspired by people whose religious fervor drowned out what should have been common sense.

Dude are you serious, drinking was out of control in many parts of the country, women were tired of being beaten by their drunk husbands and boyfriends. People were tired of the violent crime committed by drunks. Families were being neglected by the then sole bread winner. The many, many irresponsible drunks were the reason people wanted things to change. I agree that the change was to drastic and more sensible minds should have prevailed, emotion can run high and bad decisions are made. The same will happen if gun laws are changed while the emotions of the country run high, time and sensibility make better laws.

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Boston, today you idiot.

Are you... are you seriously calling me an idiot for not taking into account an event that happened after I wrote my post?

Besides, if you're going to take a single event and then generalize that across the entire world, then today I performed some charitable actions, and therefore the world is infinitely better than it was in the past. Do you see how fucking dumb that sounds?

Boy, I'd hate to be the guy who made that argument in all seriousness!

Oh, wait...

You guys want to blame today's Christians for wars that happened several hundred to over a thousand years ago, we had nothing to do with them and most we disagree with and have given valid reasons why they were not of God, but crazy zealous men who desired power over a relationship with Christ. Yet you continue to do it. I read your post after the bombing and assumed, sorry.