(April 15, 2013 at 11:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: Really, you must have failed U.S. History.
smax Wrote:Did very well, thank you. But I have to wonder how you did, being that you seem to be living in complete ignorance of the fact that religion is either directly or indirectly responsible for many of history's worst attrocities.
Majored in history, and religion is responsible for many deaths that should not have happened. You however want to make this about Christianity and here you will fail.
smax Wrote:The crusades, the inquisition, witch hunts and executions, slavery, attempts at genocide and ethnic cleansing.
You want to include all religions in these things, bet you want to leave out the secular world, well I want.
smax Wrote:As for US history specifically?
Ever heard of the Mountain Meadows Massacre?
How about the Salem Witch Trials?
The Mountain Meadows Massacre: committed by a rouge group of Mormons and Paiute Indians, 120 died at their hands, the Mormons are not recognized by nearly all Christian groups as Christians.
Salem Witch Trials: lasted about one year from 1692 to 1693. 200 were accused of being witches 20 were executed. Minister Cotton Mather and his father Increase Mather president of Harvard called for the spectral evidence to be eliminated from the trials. When the governors wife was to be questioned for witch craft spectral evidence was eliminated from the trials and soon after the trials came to an end. tis was as much a fear thing as a religious one.
smax Wrote:How many slaves lost their lives while Christians justified slavery in the name of the Bible?
You need to bring proof of your allegations that Christians were completely responsible for slavery. I'm sure some Christians participated in slavery, how many of these large plantations were owned by atheist, deist, agnostics and ect. Christians were in the fore front of ending slavery, they were a great part of the underground to get slaves to Canada.
smax Wrote:Oh, and let's not forget the worst attrocitie ever committed on what is now American soil: attempts at genocide at the entire Native American population by Christians. The casualities of which number so great that, to this day, they cannot accurately be estimated.
Again you need to bring proof of you allegations that Christians were completely responsible for the death of Native Americans. During the early part of this countries history the settlers were just trying to survive and the Indians and settlers were able to get along fine for the most part. The Native Americans were responsible for starting fights as much as the settlers were, it became a war and in war many things go badly wrong. This however does not mean the Christians were responsible, the government made these decisions, remember we have a separation of church and state. These were secular decisions being made.
smax Wrote:As I said, religion has never brought about peace or quality of life. It's only brought about tyranny, suffering, and death.
I believe I've shown things to the contrary, you're a bigot towards Christianity, your hatred shows through in your ignorance and loathing and you think yourself better than Christians .
smax Wrote:On more than one occasion, Hitler mentioned Jesus Christ as a justification for his attempts to exterminate the Jewish people.
Just because Hitler mentions Jesus name does not make him a Christian,he was no more than a mad man as were most of his closest officers. Why don't you go ask the Jews who were freed from those camps by Christian soldiers who were the real Christians. You are disgracing the Jewish people by making such a statement, as far as I can tell you're not worth Hitler's compassion.
smax Wrote:Is there really any question as to the harmful effect and potential religion has on human decency and life?
You're on the wrong side of this argument, and you are not alone.
I'm on God's side and so are the millions of Christians in this world, so I'm by no means alone. God has already claimed our victory by the victory Christ won on the cross. So where is your victory sage of the unwise, where is your victory.
Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge murdered 20% of the citizens of Cambodia, I suppose you think he was a Christians.
Kim ll-sung, Kim sung il, Kim sung un, these leaders are responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands and the imprisonment of as many or more. They have made North Koreans poor for their riches, they keep their people in poverty just so the can be the big guy on the block. Guess they are Christians too.
Stalin and his cronies are responsible for the death of so many millions it makes Hitler look like an angel. Killing the religious, the Jews and Christians, those he perceived as a threat and for many other reasons that hold no water. You must believe he was a Christian, by the way you determine things.
Bashar Assad killing tens of thousands of Syrian civilians, he must be a Christian right.
Saddam Hussein gassed, tortured and murdered hundreds of thousands Iraqis was he a Christian.
The Romans marched over millions and crucifying an untold amount of people.
Then there's Alexander the Great and the hundreds of thousands his armies kill and the millions that were enslaved. Surely you do not believe he was a Christian.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.