RE: God & Objective Morals
April 17, 2013 at 10:48 am
(This post was last modified: April 17, 2013 at 11:13 am by FallentoReason.)
(April 17, 2013 at 10:44 am)Ryantology Wrote: Objective morality is nothing more than a naked appeal to non-existent authority. Even if the myth were true, God's morality would be no more objective than my own.
That's not even the biggest problem. I accepted objective morality as true from the beginning of the discussion, and one of the things I was trying to get him to do was to give me a working definition of "objective morality" so that together we could actually pin down what's right and wrong. He spent a good 20-30 mins trying to use subjective examples that "most people know is right"... he couldn't actually justify what it was about it that made it intrinsically an objective moral, therefore making it sound very much like his subjective opinion...
I just wrote up a syllogism for the above dialogue if anyone was interested:
1) It is in God's nature to give these commands as being objectively right
2) These objective morals are what maximize happiness & wellbeing
3) If 1,2 & 3 are true, then God's nature couldn't have been any other way than this way
4) If 4 is true, then it is necessary for God to be this way
5) If 5 is true, then something external to God must have been the condition that made it necessary for God's nature to be this way (i.e. premise 3)
6) If 1-6 is true, then objective morals exist independently of God
7) Objective morals do not exist a priori
C) Since it is in God's nature to reflect objective morals, God doesn't exist.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle