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God & Objective Morals
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RE: God & Objective Morals
(April 17, 2013 at 10:48 am)FallentoReason Wrote: I just wrote up a syllogism for the above dialogue if anyone was interested:

1) It is in God's nature to give these commands as being objectively right
2) These objective morals are what maximize happiness & wellbeing
3) If 1,2 & 3 are true, then God's nature couldn't have been any other way than this way
4) If 4 is true, then it is necessary for God to be this way
5) If 5 is true, then something external to God must have been the condition that made it necessary for God's nature to be this way (i.e. premise 3)
6) If 1-6 is true, then objective morals exist independently of God
7) Objective morals do not exist a priori
C) Since it is in God's nature to reflect objective morals, God doesn't exist.

I think you may have missed a step or two here. Your statements from 3-6 are self-referential, i.e. essentially saying "If this statement is true, then this statement would be true" - making them tautological and therefore conveying no new information. Further, a lot of assumptions here are unjustified, such as it being god's necessary nature to reflect an independent standard of objective morals - something Christians might be more easily sold on than atheists.

As I see it, you argument boils down to
1. If objective morals exist, then it is possible for god - conceived as reflecting those morals through his nature - to exist.
2. Objective morals do not exist.
3. Therefore god does not exist.

The problem here is that it is possible for other conceptions of god to exist - thereby making god independent of objective morality and there is no condition given for the existence of objective morals - thereby making god irrelevant to it.
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God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 17, 2013 at 7:34 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 17, 2013 at 10:32 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by ebg - May 9, 2013 at 9:22 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - May 9, 2013 at 9:27 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 10:44 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 17, 2013 at 10:48 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by genkaus - April 18, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 17, 2013 at 11:58 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Esquilax - April 17, 2013 at 12:06 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 17, 2013 at 12:08 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 17, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 3:10 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 17, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 7:17 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 17, 2013 at 7:33 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 8:59 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Whateverist - April 17, 2013 at 9:44 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 17, 2013 at 9:48 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 17, 2013 at 9:19 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Whateverist - April 17, 2013 at 9:48 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Esquilax - April 18, 2013 at 2:10 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by genkaus - April 18, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by bladevalant546 - April 17, 2013 at 1:20 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Whateverist - April 17, 2013 at 1:43 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 17, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 17, 2013 at 8:33 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 18, 2013 at 8:45 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tonus - April 18, 2013 at 8:51 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 18, 2013 at 10:37 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 4:22 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 20, 2013 at 10:22 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 20, 2013 at 11:02 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 21, 2013 at 12:22 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 23, 2013 at 11:27 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Silver - April 23, 2013 at 11:30 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 23, 2013 at 11:55 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 24, 2013 at 6:26 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 21, 2013 at 12:36 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 21, 2013 at 12:45 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 18, 2013 at 11:09 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2013 at 11:24 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 18, 2013 at 11:49 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2013 at 12:24 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 18, 2013 at 8:45 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by genkaus - April 19, 2013 at 11:47 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 19, 2013 at 11:34 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 18, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 11:50 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by cnk12 - April 19, 2013 at 12:38 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 12:47 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Ryantology - April 19, 2013 at 7:21 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 7:29 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Ryantology - April 19, 2013 at 7:44 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 8:58 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Ryantology - April 21, 2013 at 2:56 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 23, 2013 at 11:46 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Silver - April 24, 2013 at 12:04 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2013 at 8:33 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Whateverist - April 24, 2013 at 10:03 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 24, 2013 at 10:30 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 24, 2013 at 12:15 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 24, 2013 at 1:48 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 25, 2013 at 8:39 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 25, 2013 at 9:38 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2013 at 12:45 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 25, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 26, 2013 at 1:51 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 27, 2013 at 12:31 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tonus - April 27, 2013 at 9:34 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 27, 2013 at 3:10 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 27, 2013 at 6:03 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 28, 2013 at 11:00 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 29, 2013 at 8:24 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Statler Waldorf - April 29, 2013 at 8:54 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 29, 2013 at 11:10 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 29, 2013 at 11:57 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 29, 2013 at 10:48 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - May 2, 2013 at 2:27 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - May 5, 2013 at 10:44 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - May 6, 2013 at 9:21 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by smax - May 7, 2013 at 3:43 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - May 7, 2013 at 10:00 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Praetorian - May 9, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Godschild - May 9, 2013 at 7:45 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Silver - May 9, 2013 at 7:47 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Godschild - May 10, 2013 at 9:53 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Praetorian - May 10, 2013 at 1:04 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Praetorian - May 10, 2013 at 2:49 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by dazzn - May 12, 2013 at 9:32 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Godschild - May 13, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Ryantology - May 13, 2013 at 4:29 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by smax - May 13, 2013 at 6:53 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Godschild - May 13, 2013 at 11:49 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by smax - May 15, 2013 at 10:26 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by The Grand Nudger - May 12, 2013 at 10:52 am

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