God & Objective Morals

[Esquilax]

For reasons I have posted about rather extensively elsewhere, I do not believe moral systems based on evolutionary psychology satisfy the requirements a moral system should have. Primarily because certain behaviors generally accepted as immoral, like rape, may in fact assist the survival of genetic material for some low-status individuals. Using pain and pleasure as an index of morality, like Utilitarianism, involves a highly arbitrary assessment of what degree of pleasure offsets what degree of pain (or loss) and to what degree these are spread among individuals.

I hate to take us back to something on the first page, but please don't attribute that evo psych crap to me. That's not at all what I was getting at, I was just observing that we are cooperative as a species, and that this necessarily informs parts of our morality.

That said, it's not a strictly biological equation, that's where our logic comes in too; rape's bad because it serves to cause demonstrable harm to people. I find it actually a bit unsettling when people pretend they can't see that when describing secular moral systems; I don't think for a second that you only see rape as immoral because your god's morality decrees it, Chad. The harm of it is easily seen, and you, just like the rest of us, are empathetic enough to not want it to happen to people, god or no.