(April 18, 2013 at 7:15 pm)catfish Wrote: It's logically impossible to "roll" an infinite-sided die, isn't it???
Good call, but I think this actually supports my side. It's impossible to have a universe that isn't ordered, yet it is logically impossible to "randomly" have order in the one we have. Maybe this is the Achilles heel of the argument...
A_Nony_Mouse Wrote:Please restate it better right now before you "forget" your promise to do better next time. Because you know you are planning to ignore the issue of course.
Sir, yes sir!
There is the law of conservation of mass and energy, which states that within an isolated system the total amount of mass/energy does not change but either may be redistributed to the other by the ratio of E=mc^2.
Better?
A_Nony_Mouse Wrote:So lets have some examples which are applicable to your premises. Again you are planning to ignore it so please lets have working examples right now.
Sir... no sir? I'd have to list an infinite amount of examples. I really don't have the time to do that. =p
A_Nony_Mouse Wrote:An infinite sided die is a sphere in geometry. In geometry a sphere has only an outside meaning there can be only one result which is a 1:1 ratio.
In practice because a die can only be made of matter there are finite molecules in the die so there are only finite results. Here the ratio is 1:large number.
Cause and effect does not come into this at all.
It's a ratio of order vs chaos. So ya. It does.
A_Nony_Mouse Wrote:In quantum mechanics there are a huge number of possibilities existing all at the same time none of which have anything to do with causality. You have said nothing that is true so far.
I'm speaking about possibility within cause and effect. How does cause and effect not have to do with anything? It's the whole thing!
A_Nony_Mouse Wrote:Tex Wrote:I'm trying to convey the absurdity of the existence of cause and effect.Why would you raise what has been well known for decades from quantum mechanics?
Quantum Mechanics simply hasn't found the cause for the effects. If there is no cause and effect, how do you know that the ground below you wont suddenly lose electromagnetic force and you sudden sink to the center of Earth? A lack of cause and effect destroys science, not makes it better.
A_Nony_Mouse Wrote:X is word magic. Y is gesture magic. But Z will never happen. You make no sense.
You really need to work on social skills. No, magic isn't real, but how magic is portrayed is cause and effect.
A_Nony_Mouse Wrote:Randomness is ALWAYS describable. There is an equation to describe all known forms. As that is all there is there is nothing you can be talking about which exists. As I said in the last the only non-random system is one that is completly deterministic.
This is why you don't understand. You're not separating yourself from the presuppositions. That's what I asked for when I made the little proof. Randomness in this universe is actually not random, but has an equation. I am speaking of actual randomness. I'm not talking about anything that exists, I'm making a hypothetical, which is necessary in a multitude of disciplines.
A_Nony_Mouse Wrote:Of course the sun its material into heavier elements makes statistical sense. You to learn quantum mechanics and probability wave distributions. As you are likely not up to it as you have shown you do not and apparently cannot understand either statistics or physics I can only advise you to stop posting this nonsense. It serves only to expose your ignorance.
See above.
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