(April 22, 2013 at 12:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: Where did you get your info, even if it's accurate 2 billion people is far more than a handful as you stated, it's nearly 30%.I said a relative handful. When more than 70% of the world's population is in danger of your god's wrath, those who are saved amount to a relative handful.
Godschild Wrote:You say you do not want God to save you and the rest of those who aren't saved probably feel the same. So why should He force you to live in eternity with Him if that's not your desire or anyone else for that matter. You said He should save those who do not desire it, so why did you change your mind.I did not say that he should save those who do not desire it. My post that started this exchange specifically asked why he would not reveal himself and "provide a path to heaven for all who would believe."
By the way, this is another tactic used by theists when their backs are against the wall. I'm pointing out how illogical it is for the god you worship to hide himself, and you pretend that we both believe that he exists. He cannot force me to do anything, because he doesn't exist. I have no expectations where god is concerned.
Godschild Wrote:Please show me the endless excuses Christians use for God not presenting Himself to man in a way everyone can know He's real.Well, just in this topic, we have had either a variation or a direct use of these:
- We shouldn't "tempt" god.
- We shouldn't presume to demand something from god.
- We shouldn't be lazy, we should find it ourselves.
- The challenge itself is a 'selfish trap that you won't fall into.'
- God 'doesn't work that way.'
- "You're using scripture in a way that's against God."
- You don't see him because you won't/don't believe.
- God gave proof way back when, it's in the Bible.
- God will do as he pleases, maybe he'll reveal himself, maybe not.
- You have a comprehension problem, when you overcome it, we'll talk.
- You won't accept my reasoning.
I'll stop at those. Those are only yours, and in the past few pages of this topic. They're mostly a variation of "I/God don't have to explain myself/Him to you" or "you can't understand until you learn to look at it the way I do." Those are excuses, you use those phrases as a substitute for a rational consideration of the actions of your god and whether or not they're logical or sensible.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould