I went back and read your first two paragraphs, and it seems like it was a prologue to what you then started discussing, which was how objective morals would actually function. Let's get back into it:
So our set of objective morals is: love...?
1) A man starts attacking me on the street late one night. It seems as though I will actually die in the assault.
2) North Korea starts invading the U.S.
3) You're a spy gathering intel on the USSR (back in the day) and you get caught. They tell you that they will let you go if you give them confidential information about the U.S.
Does our single method for acting morally right help us in any of these cases?
Do you consider yourself a panentheist..?
(April 24, 2013 at 1:48 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(April 24, 2013 at 12:15 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: ... I'll hypothetically believe there are objective morals (i.e. a standard set by an "Ultimate Judge") and now please lead the way: show me this standard.The standard takes the form of the final judge, the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. A bold statement, so let me explain. In his humanity Jesus is the Christian example of love perfected. I see a human being who endured the greatest injustice, torture and execution at the hands of evil doers. And through it all He was able love them, pray for them, and ultimately die for them. The standard them is this ability to love. A Christian compares his live to this standard. Can I demostrated this kind of love while making moral choices and making moral judgments. Now we all have role models. Muslims look to Mohommed as the 'perfect man'. Secular people chose a variety of leaders and humanitiarians as their role models. Part of the Great Commission is to point out, if we can, the superiority of using the Son of God for this purpose. Not only does He provide the example, but also judges us against the standard He set Himself as the manifestation of love-itself, i.e. "Be perfect, as I am perfect." Thus, there is no exterior source for judging whether perfect love is an acceptable standard (regardless of the form we think it takes), because there is no alternative.
So our set of objective morals is: love...?
1) A man starts attacking me on the street late one night. It seems as though I will actually die in the assault.
2) North Korea starts invading the U.S.
3) You're a spy gathering intel on the USSR (back in the day) and you get caught. They tell you that they will let you go if you give them confidential information about the U.S.
Does our single method for acting morally right help us in any of these cases?
Quote:(April 24, 2013 at 12:15 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: You know it's all in your head when your improv apologetics has lead you to invoke panentheism as a defence for Christianity. Yahweh will strike you down for your blasphemous ways(!), or will he, Mr. closet panentheist!Hey Fallen, it looks like I might actually be having an influence!
Do you consider yourself a panentheist..?
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
