(April 28, 2013 at 11:00 pm)FallentoReason Wrote:(April 26, 2013 at 1:51 pm)Tex Wrote: The external does not set the necessary, no. It simply displays what is already internal.
So the external shows what is now once again the arbitrary attributes in the internal? Is God the definition of "illogical" by any chance, because I can't keep up with the intellectual dissonance!
I conceded that I cannot yet show "Good" with the Necessary Being necessarily, but I am not saying "Good" is not with the Necessary Being necessarily. I'm saying there is an external that we receive (specifically the "Good" in this argument), so we know there is God.
Quote:And I haven't thought of anything that addresses the question between the relationship of Being and Good. I may have to... google it... =(
No need to google! I think I thought something decent that I'd like you to cross examine (Thanks to Chad for inspiration).
Good is rational (thus objective) by means of "perfect relation". Bear with my strange terminology for a moment since I thought it at about 3:00 in the morning.
The "Good" is the same term I've been using. "Aim of moral action" is about as good of a definition as I can give it.
Reason is objective because, regardless of the individual, including God, the individual cannot change what is reasonable and unreasonable.
And finally "perfect relation" is to be something like "proper action" and the relationships I'm concerned with include the self, others, and God.
So, when acting morally, actions are reasonable. If a guy under you is slacking at work, it might be more reasonable to just bring the guy into your office and scold him for a bit than to fire him right out. Then again, if this isn't the first time, firing might be reasonable as well.
If your kids are being good, its reasonable to praise them. However, it's no longer so reasonable after they colored the entire wall with marker while you were cooking them dinner.
To self, health and safety. Eating too much, drinking too much, or dependency on anything unnecessary/harmful is against what is proper to one's self.
To God would be much like a friend in one sense and much like a King in another. Friends you are considerate towards, listen to advice, trust, etc. Kings you obey, revere, and contemplate. All these apply.
The Lord bless you and keep you; the Lord make his face to shine upon you and be gracious to you; the Lord lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace.