(April 30, 2013 at 10:00 am)orogenicman Wrote: In fact, it was a joint award given to the authors of the 2007 IPCC climate report and Al Gore. Mann was one of those authors, and received a certificate from the IPCC in recognition of his efforts that contributed to the award, as were all the other authors. End of story.You're wrong. It wasn't awarded to the authors - it was awarded to the IPCC. Mann took it to court as you know. Mann believes he won the award, he did not.
Quote:Of course you don't need to refute any science. Given that it is highly doubtful that you could argue the issue with a 10 year old, I can understand your reluctance.Oh please, I've followed the EGHE science for close to a decade, it has not advanced and many of the previous claims have been long since discredited or disproven. The EGHE has an effect on our climate, it has had a contributing effect towards the global trend, however I believe that the science shows the upper limit of the effect that it had in the 20th century (1900-2000) is 0.1-0.2 degrees Celsius. The actual, physical global warming trend for that same period is 0.6-0.7 degrees; thus the majority of the trend is not attributable to EGHE's nor a subset of EGHE's.
I also believe NASA who in 2010 published their modelling that has CO2 contributing less than half of the EGHE and Methane and Black carbon contributing the bulk of the other half. It is, however, important to mention this to simple minds.
Even IF the full 0.6-0.7 degree trend is actually solely attributable to EGHE's, then CO2's modelled contribution of 47% makes it attributable for ~0.3 degrees of warming in the 20th century (upper limit).
Now go discuss this nonsense of yours with the uneducated masses.
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The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke