RE: Who created god?
May 6, 2013 at 3:32 pm
(This post was last modified: May 6, 2013 at 3:33 pm by Darkstar.)
(May 6, 2013 at 10:47 am)Gabriel Syme Wrote: God is the source, the "first mover". God has no creator - God 'just exists'. The same way that truth 'just exists'. (indeed, truth is an aspect of God).Truth is a concept, not a sentient being.
(May 6, 2013 at 10:47 am)Gabriel Syme Wrote: Now, If you dont accept that God just exists, then you are essentially saying that we "just exist" - which is the exact same position (applied to a different subject) and which requires the exact same leap of faith.That actually sounds a lot like an argument I have used against god...in reverse. Would it not be the height of ridiculousness to suggest that flawed mortal men cannot "just exist" but "God" can? I mean, would you expect disorganized atoms (that eventually, through understood processes came to form the universe as we know it today) to be unable to exist without a creator, but a being of infinite power can?
And it would obviously be the height of ridiculousness to suggest that flawed, ignorant, weak, mortal men can "just exist" but "God" (and everything that noun implies) cannot.
One could try to say that because he has infinite power, he doesn't need a creator, but one would have to presuppose his existence in order for him to have any known properties. You are in effect saying that he is responsible for his own existence, which is logically impossible.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.