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Atheism Undermines Knowledge
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge
(May 6, 2013 at 5:29 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: That’s pretty good. I think more than anyone you have an understanding of from where I am coming. Although, I do not consider it magic to posit some kind of substrate that can support qualitative content. Not do I consider it impossible to identify a means of interaction between a physical universe that has a random underbelly and non-physical substrate that imposes order. By definition said non-physical substrate would be transcendent. From their we can apply reason, including observations about how we use and apply meaning, to further inquire into what’s really going on.

Can you demonstrate that non physical substrate? If yes, that's cool. If no, and your reasoning continues to be that you feel like there must be one, then beyond your personal feelings how are we justified in assuming that one exists? Or rather, how could we not be justified in continuing to just keep making up whatever we want- after all, we're already accepting the existence of something that can't be demonstrated in a scientific sense?

By necessity we're limited to things we can actually demonstrate, because if we take things as true sans actual evidence, then we're just indulging our imagination. It's not that science- or atheism- is denying the existence of such things, we just see that accepting them as true before we have proof of them is a ridiculous proposition.
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Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 3, 2013 at 1:51 pm
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 3, 2013 at 4:06 pm
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by pocaracas - May 3, 2013 at 5:39 pm
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