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God & Objective Morals
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RE: God & Objective Morals
The Objective Moral Values argument is one of the weakest ones Theists present. If there is one thing that human history has proven, it is that human morals are just like humans, they are evolving. There was a time when men just raped women they wanted to have sex with. It was a primal instinct. But, as men evolved, they started to realize that these women were fellow human beings, the mothers of their children, and that their relationships with them were far less satisfying and beneficial under these violent conditions. They became protective of women and the families they were producing with them. That didn't stop rape, it just made rape wrong to human beings.

And most moral values have developed along these lines.

In short, human beings are instinctively selfish, but that trait has led to the development of many moral values that produce selfless acts.

There is nothing "godly" about human morals. In fact, the very invention of god by men is evidence of man's selfishness:

1. Man doesn't want to simply die.
2. Man wants to be rewarded for living, regardless of merit.
3. Man wants to control other men.
4. Man wants an excuse for behavior that is perceived to be immoral: multiple wives, genocide, slavery, etc.

These are all reasons why man invented and deluded himself into believing in god and an afterlife.

The reason I believe this is one of the Theists weakests and most counter-productive arguments is because "god's moral values" are always changing as men change and become more civilized and knowledgable. It's obvious that men always have and still are determining and controlling god's moral values.

The very subject of moral values invites some of the biggest question marks there are regarding the existence of a personal god. If I were a Theist, I'd treat this subject like a plague and stay the hell away from it.
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God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 17, 2013 at 7:34 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 17, 2013 at 10:32 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by ebg - May 9, 2013 at 9:22 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - May 9, 2013 at 9:27 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 10:44 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 17, 2013 at 10:48 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by genkaus - April 18, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 17, 2013 at 11:58 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Esquilax - April 17, 2013 at 12:06 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 17, 2013 at 12:08 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 17, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 3:10 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 17, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 7:17 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 17, 2013 at 7:33 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 8:59 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Whateverist - April 17, 2013 at 9:44 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 17, 2013 at 9:48 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 17, 2013 at 9:19 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Whateverist - April 17, 2013 at 9:48 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Esquilax - April 18, 2013 at 2:10 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by genkaus - April 18, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by bladevalant546 - April 17, 2013 at 1:20 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Whateverist - April 17, 2013 at 1:43 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 17, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 17, 2013 at 8:33 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 18, 2013 at 8:45 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tonus - April 18, 2013 at 8:51 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 18, 2013 at 10:37 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 4:22 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 20, 2013 at 10:22 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 20, 2013 at 11:02 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 21, 2013 at 12:22 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 23, 2013 at 11:27 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Silver - April 23, 2013 at 11:30 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 23, 2013 at 11:55 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 24, 2013 at 6:26 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 21, 2013 at 12:36 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 21, 2013 at 12:45 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 18, 2013 at 11:09 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2013 at 11:24 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 18, 2013 at 11:49 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2013 at 12:24 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 18, 2013 at 8:45 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by genkaus - April 19, 2013 at 11:47 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 19, 2013 at 11:34 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 18, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 11:50 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by cnk12 - April 19, 2013 at 12:38 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 12:47 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Ryantology - April 19, 2013 at 7:21 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 7:29 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Ryantology - April 19, 2013 at 7:44 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 8:58 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Ryantology - April 21, 2013 at 2:56 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 23, 2013 at 11:46 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Silver - April 24, 2013 at 12:04 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2013 at 8:33 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Whateverist - April 24, 2013 at 10:03 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 24, 2013 at 10:30 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 24, 2013 at 12:15 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 24, 2013 at 1:48 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 25, 2013 at 8:39 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 25, 2013 at 9:38 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2013 at 12:45 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 25, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 26, 2013 at 1:51 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 27, 2013 at 12:31 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tonus - April 27, 2013 at 9:34 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 27, 2013 at 3:10 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 27, 2013 at 6:03 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 28, 2013 at 11:00 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Tex - April 29, 2013 at 8:24 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Statler Waldorf - April 29, 2013 at 8:54 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - April 29, 2013 at 11:10 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 29, 2013 at 11:57 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - April 29, 2013 at 10:48 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - May 2, 2013 at 2:27 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - May 5, 2013 at 10:44 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Neo-Scholastic - May 6, 2013 at 9:21 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by smax - May 7, 2013 at 3:43 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by FallentoReason - May 7, 2013 at 10:00 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Praetorian - May 9, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Godschild - May 9, 2013 at 7:45 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Silver - May 9, 2013 at 7:47 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Godschild - May 10, 2013 at 9:53 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Praetorian - May 10, 2013 at 1:04 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Praetorian - May 10, 2013 at 2:49 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by dazzn - May 12, 2013 at 9:32 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Godschild - May 13, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Ryantology - May 13, 2013 at 4:29 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by smax - May 13, 2013 at 6:53 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by Godschild - May 13, 2013 at 11:49 pm
RE: God & Objective Morals - by smax - May 15, 2013 at 10:26 am
RE: God & Objective Morals - by The Grand Nudger - May 12, 2013 at 10:52 am

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