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Atheism Undermines Knowledge
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge
Quote:But wait! You say, “things like intentions and sensations are ‘emergent’ properties.” Doing so introduces a category error between mental and physical properties. You do not attribute mental properties to things like thermostats for good reason. They are physical systems governed solely by cause and effect. A desire to reach 72 degrees does not emerge in the thermostat. It doesn’t want anything, it just is. Likewise, driving is not an emergent property of a car. Driving is an act of intention expressing the will of the driver when applied to a physical object. So if the brain is a solely physical system why do you attribute mental properties to it? The problem is not a scientific one. The problem is conceptual.

You make the mistake of assuming that all physical systems have the same properties. A brain, being a physical substrate, exhibits what you call 'mental properties'. The cause for this is unknown to us right now, but I have every confidence that a physical explanation will reveal itself in time, because there are countless phenomena once thought to be supernatural and eventually proven otherwise (while the reverse has never once happened). I see no need to resort to a supernatural explanation, because in all of human history, no supernatural claim has ever been demonstrated to be different from anything anyone can just make up.
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Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 3, 2013 at 1:51 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Minimalist - May 3, 2013 at 1:53 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by pocaracas - May 3, 2013 at 2:04 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Anomalocaris - May 3, 2013 at 2:10 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by paulpablo - May 3, 2013 at 3:30 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 3, 2013 at 3:37 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 3, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 3, 2013 at 4:26 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 3, 2013 at 4:58 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by pocaracas - May 3, 2013 at 5:39 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 3, 2013 at 6:13 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by pocaracas - May 3, 2013 at 6:49 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Simon Moon - May 3, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2013 at 3:47 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Simon Moon - May 3, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Anomalocaris - May 3, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2013 at 4:00 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Anomalocaris - May 3, 2013 at 4:04 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Gooders1002 - May 3, 2013 at 4:05 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Whateverist - May 3, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 3, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Re: RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by paulpablo - May 3, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Re: RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2013 at 4:54 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by paulpablo - May 3, 2013 at 5:02 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Mister Agenda - May 6, 2013 at 12:18 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Gearbreak - May 3, 2013 at 5:06 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 3, 2013 at 5:20 pm
Re: RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2013 at 5:45 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by paulpablo - May 4, 2013 at 12:28 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 3, 2013 at 6:33 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 3, 2013 at 7:22 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 3, 2013 at 7:48 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by pocaracas - May 4, 2013 at 6:20 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ergates - May 3, 2013 at 9:06 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 3, 2013 at 11:53 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 4, 2013 at 12:07 am
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by downbeatplumb - May 4, 2013 at 12:38 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 4, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 4, 2013 at 1:05 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 4, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by paulpablo - May 4, 2013 at 4:15 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 4, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Simon Moon - May 4, 2013 at 4:56 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 4, 2013 at 7:02 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 5, 2013 at 4:15 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Simon Moon - May 5, 2013 at 2:48 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 4, 2013 at 6:55 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Cato - May 4, 2013 at 8:04 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by DeistPaladin - May 6, 2013 at 10:59 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 5, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Anomalocaris - May 5, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 5, 2013 at 12:38 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by ideologue08 - May 5, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 5, 2013 at 3:12 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 5, 2013 at 3:31 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 6, 2013 at 2:25 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by downbeatplumb - May 6, 2013 at 5:50 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 6, 2013 at 8:29 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Cato - May 8, 2013 at 1:25 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by justin - May 5, 2013 at 3:19 pm
Re: RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by frz - May 5, 2013 at 10:18 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 6, 2013 at 2:34 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 6, 2013 at 7:06 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by downbeatplumb - May 6, 2013 at 10:12 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 6, 2013 at 9:04 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by pocaracas - May 6, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 6, 2013 at 2:10 pm
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Mister Agenda - May 6, 2013 at 2:37 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 6, 2013 at 9:50 am
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 6, 2013 at 2:34 pm
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by MysticKnight - May 6, 2013 at 12:06 pm
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Mister Agenda - May 6, 2013 at 6:06 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 7, 2013 at 1:39 am
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Mister Agenda - May 6, 2013 at 3:53 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 7, 2013 at 2:57 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 7, 2013 at 3:55 am
Re: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by frz - May 7, 2013 at 9:52 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 7, 2013 at 11:51 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Whateverist - May 7, 2013 at 12:12 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Mister Agenda - May 7, 2013 at 2:12 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 8, 2013 at 12:16 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 7, 2013 at 2:00 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 7, 2013 at 3:32 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 7, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Mister Agenda - May 13, 2013 at 1:54 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Anomalocaris - May 7, 2013 at 3:37 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 7, 2013 at 5:50 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Anomalocaris - May 7, 2013 at 6:02 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 7, 2013 at 6:07 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 7, 2013 at 8:04 pm
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Silver - May 7, 2013 at 7:27 pm
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by downbeatplumb - May 8, 2013 at 1:11 pm
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Silver - May 8, 2013 at 3:27 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 8, 2013 at 8:36 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Whateverist - May 8, 2013 at 12:50 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 8, 2013 at 12:58 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Whateverist - May 8, 2013 at 1:17 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 9, 2013 at 10:20 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Simon Moon - May 8, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 8, 2013 at 3:27 am
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 8, 2013 at 4:35 am
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 8, 2013 at 1:04 pm
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Creed of Heresy - May 8, 2013 at 10:13 am
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Creed of Heresy - May 8, 2013 at 11:10 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 8, 2013 at 12:50 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Anomalocaris - May 8, 2013 at 1:21 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 8, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 8, 2013 at 1:27 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 9, 2013 at 1:31 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Silver - May 9, 2013 at 1:36 am
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 9, 2013 at 3:19 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 9, 2013 at 10:24 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 9, 2013 at 10:40 am
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 9, 2013 at 12:26 pm
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Simon Moon - May 9, 2013 at 11:20 am
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2013 at 3:10 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 12, 2013 at 11:17 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by The Grand Nudger - May 12, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 12, 2013 at 3:23 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Creed of Heresy - May 12, 2013 at 3:44 pm
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Angrboda - May 13, 2013 at 12:36 am
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 13, 2013 at 12:11 pm
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by The Grand Nudger - May 13, 2013 at 1:47 pm
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 13, 2013 at 1:54 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by LastPoet - May 13, 2013 at 1:50 pm
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Mister Agenda - May 14, 2013 at 11:35 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by The Grand Nudger - May 13, 2013 at 5:43 pm
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