(May 8, 2013 at 4:35 am)fr0d0 Wrote: IMO you're looking very silly here Esq. The evidence that you insist upon is empirical. You blind yourself to any other kind, such as logic. How did you back yourself down that alley? You're blaming unconvincing apologists?
Look, it's pretty simple: I've used logic, like you (claim) to have done, and come to a different conclusion to you. Does that instantly make my position correct and yours wrong? No, but obviously I believe mine to be correct or else I wouldn't hold it. Now, we follow along from that: you admit there can be no empirical evidence for your position, meanwhile mine actually has some data to back it up and support the conclusion I have come to. Now, which of us looks silly: the one who has calibrated his worldview to match the evidence, or the one who holds a worldview in spite of any evidence at all?
See, what you fail to realize is that logic is not evidence, and moreover that logic can be faulty. Logic once held that the Earth was flat, since from the ground we see a flat plain. Logic once held that the sky was a dome, since we see it enclosing the (flat) Earth. What showed us that those things were not true? Oh, right: evidence!
Something being logically possible tells you nothing about whether or not it exists, only that you're formulated a premise that is not contradictory or otherwise invalid. You are operating under the idea that a logically possible (debatable though that is) premise is true, and if you want to give that view any kind of weight you need to demonstrate it, because there are a multitude of other logically possible rationalizations to compete with the one you've picked. Since you're sticking with this idea that there can be no empirical evidence for your claim, you've kind of logicked yourself out of the running, there.
Quote:Yes the whole point of God setting himself up to require faith kinda defeats the science of the gaps argument.
Once again, faith is obstinate gullibility, not evidence.
Quote:Yes you want to be a fundie. I'm not going to stop you bro. I think it a kindness that you can't aim criticism at me, but instead choose to pick the easy targets that both of us can dismiss.
I just think it's ironic that you can't see you're a part of the groups I'm criticizing...

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