(May 8, 2013 at 5:14 pm)Godschild Wrote:
Raven Wrote:Apples and Oranges, dude. Your omnimax God knew before he even did it what would transpire. So I guess you could call this the world's first case of entrapment. Something much frowned upon in our legal system. He knew what they would do, and he went and did it anyway. Why did he not stick them in the world the way he knew already they would end up? The end result was the same, and he'd have saved everybody a bit of trouble.
Saved everybody a bit of trouble, that's a dumb statement, If God had created man as sinners you would still be complaining, "oh why did God do this to us, oh why." Your problem is you can not accept reality.
Are you saying that parents do not realize that the world is going to throw bad situations at their children? That would be irresponsible at the least. So I see it as apples to apples.
Raven Wrote:On the other hand, my wife and myself have brought forth 4 (now adult) children, 3 of whom have reproduced on their own. Nothing evil in that. We had a responsibility and we lived up to it when we decided to have offspring.
You say that if I believe you're evil because you brought children into the world, I do not know how you could get that from what I said, it must be because you want to see the worst in Christians.
Actually I'm glad everything worked out for your family, a lot are not that blessed.
Raven Wrote:But for an omnimax creator to pull a fast one on two child-like beings the way he did - that's evil. Who would not want knowledge. He should have been happy they wanted to grow. But no, it's his way or the highway. He'd have made a good Republcan.
Exactly what makes you believe they were child-like, they were created fully adult, just like the rest of the creation. They could communicate, feed themselves, travel, understand the commandment God gave them and understood the consequences of disobedience. Sounds quite adult doesn't it. God wanted them to trust Him, and He certainly did not want them to know evil, that meant His Son would have to suffer for the human race. If one of your grandchildren only had to obey one thing your child ask, and it would keep your child from from some kind of suffering, wouldn't you want that grandchild to obey. Remember though there's nothing you can do to make that grandchild obey that request except to take the grandchild and lock it away.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.