(May 9, 2013 at 7:11 pm)Praetorian Wrote: I'm glad this is being discussed so avidly. I think it's important for non-believers to eventually come to some kind of consensus on this issue (probably not anytime soon) through which we can present a united front against the moral argument. I'm aware of many of the very good arguments that non-believers put forth, from the moral landscape, reciprocal altruism, and what theists like to refer to as, "herd morality." Unfortunately, in debates, it tends to come off as a bit heady and too scientific for many people to grasp. The very idea that things just happen, from the universe to abiogenesis, seem to be too much for many people to comprehend, especially if they're not interested in science.
I look forward to reading more; 9 pages is a bit too much to cover on my phone while at work .
So you want all non-believers to think like you do, just as you want all Christians to believe as you do, that's what I call real freedom of thought.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.