RE: God & Objective Morals
May 10, 2013 at 9:53 am
(This post was last modified: May 10, 2013 at 10:24 am by Godscreated.)
(May 9, 2013 at 7:47 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:(May 9, 2013 at 7:45 pm)Godschild Wrote: So you want all Christians to believe as you do, that's what I call real freedom of thought.
Honestly, yes, because religion is absolutely useless. It does much more harm than good.
Prove it then big boy.
(May 10, 2013 at 1:04 am)Praetorian Wrote:(May 9, 2013 at 7:45 pm)Godschild Wrote:
No, that's coming at the issue backwards from what I'm proposing. I'm saying that theists constantly bring up, ad nauseum, the fact that (to quote William Lane Craig), "On atheism, there is no moral framework."
In a way, this line of reasoning is correct. The simple disbelief in something does not imply a creed or moral structure to follow. This is why many atheists also consider themselves secular humanists. What I'm saying is, science is just scratching the surface on why things like empathy occur naturally, but eventually it will be able to be addressed with a high degree of certainty. Theists can refer to their scriptures and claim they have a base for morality from on high, but the argument only works until science proves where it actually comes from.
Now you're stating science will prove something is not from God because it occurs naturally, how do you know that God didn't plan for this. Morals do not come from anything, morals are part of who God is, they have always existed. Truths are eternal.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.