RE: A Literal Genesis Entails An Evil God
May 13, 2013 at 5:00 pm
(This post was last modified: May 13, 2013 at 5:03 pm by Godscreated.)
(May 12, 2013 at 1:16 pm)smax Wrote:(May 12, 2013 at 4:52 am)Godschild Wrote: No and I'm following Christ all the way to heaven, see you there or not.
Just asking.
The conditions laid out to the babies (Adam and Eve) were basically impossible to meet.
You concede that:
1. God created temptation
2. God didn't give Adam and Eve any knowledge of right from wrong
3. God placed a entity with superior intellect in their path. An entit that was known for his cunning (he talked a third of the angels into leaving heaven). An entity that had designs on thwarting god's plan and bringing about pain and suffering for man.
These concessions, on your part, can only lead to one of two conclusions:
Either god is incompetent and stupid or he intended for man to fall from grace.
Either way, he is ultimately responsbible for the fall.
There is no other reasonable conclusion. Well, at least no one has presented one as of yet.
I did not concede 1) because the scriptures tell us God does not tempt, you want me to agree with you so bad you will lie, sad bud, very sad.
I did not concede 2) God gave Adam and Eve knowledge of right and wrong, if He had not then he Could not have given them a rule, He is omniscient, you again tell a lie to make it seem I agree with you, sad.
I did not concede 3) God did allow Satan to come into the presence of Adam and Eve and He allowed the temptation, they chose to disobey, they did not have to. I've seen 4 year old children being tempted by older children to go against their parents rules and the 4 year old said no. I'm not suggesting a 4 year old was smarter than Adam and Eve, but he was able to resist the temptation of one supposedly smarter.
As for the angels just how smart is one to trade heaven for hell, not very in my opinion.
Being that I did not concede anything to you, then your conclusions are just as full of useless info as your comments are.
(May 12, 2013 at 5:16 pm)pocaracas Wrote:(May 12, 2013 at 1:16 pm)smax Wrote: The conditions laid out to the babies (Adam and Eve) were basically impossible to meet.
You concede that:
1. God created temptation
2. God didn't give Adam and Eve any knowledge of right from wrong
3. God placed a entity with superior intellect in their path. An entit that was known for his cunning (he talked a third of the angels into leaving heaven). An entity that had designs on thwarting god's plan and bringing about pain and suffering for man.
These concessions, on your part, can only lead to one of two conclusions:
Either god is incompetent and stupid or he intended for man to fall from grace.
Either way, he is ultimately responsbible for the fall.
There is no other reasonable conclusion. Well, at least no one has presented one as of yet.
The obvious conclusion is that the whole myth was conjured up by semi-nomadic inhabitants of a middle-eastern area somewhere between the Jordan and Mesopotamia.
The god was modeled on some king, the garden modeled on some great garden of the time... wasn't there such a thing in the list of the seven wonders of the ancient world?
The fall was modeled on the fall of someone who was made to dwell in that garden, perhaps...
Seems will need some proof of you argument.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.