Men and Women equal? No, never.

[The Grand Nudger]

Yeah, but on any level. You added the federal government part which sums up your entire argument and has nothing to do with mine.

I've been talking about the federal government the entire time, and made that clear pages ago.

Do you get paid for that or do it to pay back whatever government assistance you got? Do not get me wrong. I do not think you should have to. I'm just pointing out the gaping hole in your earlier statement.

Unfortunately, lol, no, I'm always looking to sell my kids, but I'm told that this is incredibly illegal.

Derp. What does that have to do with anything? Essentially saying that you could get disabled and make me have to pay more for your children really does nothing to negate the fact that I shouldn't have to put in a dime for anyone's parental leave.

Do you? No.

Does not mean I would not if given the choice. It just means I should not have to and neither should a business.

Do they? No.

Given that we live in two separate states, I'm quite surprised that you expected my initial argument to have anything to do with yours and why in the hell would this be an argument about state's rights to pass laws? This is about anyone, anywhere, for any level of government, paying for maternity leave involuntarily.

I thought it had something to do with mine because you quoted my comments. That's reasonable, isn't it? In any case you're in luck, because no one at any level of government pays for maternity leave - in those states that have medical leave modifications over and above those that exist in federal law it is the employer - who has chosen to operate a business in those ares (and has an onus to understand those laws he has decided to start a business subject to) who pays - at a reduced rate.

Who said there was? No one, so, um, I'm still not sure why you are hanging onto this other than that it is the only level at which there is no requirement at all.

Well, certainly not me, and Shell, since you want to press it, name the states with paid leave requirements-describe those paid leave requirements. Count them up, then read back through anything I've posted...and see where any of that information doesn't line up side to side?

No, Rhythm. I am aware of that. It just is completely irrelevant as you keep getting stuck on the whole "people in the United States" thing when that had fuckall to do with it. No one, anywhere, for any reason. Get it?

Actually if you'll read back - you might notice that I posed the question..under our system, our law, here in the US, why would an employer find reason or justification to discriminate based upon an applicants pregnancy or maternal leave. I made allowances that the laws were different elsewhere.

No one cares about this. You are arguing a straw man and wasting your time.

So it would seem.

It can be made too much, as it is a retarded point. This is not a country nor are any of the states places where laws cannot be changed when people disagree with them. "Like it or move" is an ignorant perspective. Always has been. "Can't speak English. Get out." is pretty fucking similar.

Tell me, whats retarded about the requirement for a business owner to understand those laws which affect his business, or weigh that in when deciding to start a business, or where to locate that business? If you don't like the laws -you- don't have to move - you have to move -your fucking business-. Really simple - and that's exactly how it's done. If you have reason to believe that you, as a business owner, couldn't or wouldn't follow the laws applicable to your business in the jurisdiction your business is located in - you need a different business model, or you shouldn't be operating a fucking business. Again - simple.

No it is not. Most women are up and at 'em in days. It can be complicated, do not get me wrong, but if there are no complications, it is not major, at all.

You do realize that delivery - even without complication- is classified as major surgery, do you not? It's not an issue of how good we are at it or how often it goes off without a hitch.

You're the only one pigeon holing it into those two programs because it suits your argument. The fact that anywhere else in the world or even in this country does it differently does not seem to register what.so.ever. Weird.

Because those are the -only- two programs that are mandatory here, in the US - that have any analogues to the justification offered by Mo - for discrimination based on pregnancy. Neither of which gives us any reason or justification for discrimination - based upon the justification he offered.

How much of this thread did you actually read?