(May 20, 2013 at 1:38 am)Godschild Wrote:
missl Wrote:Hell threat # 400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.1 that I've gotten since signing up for this ATHEIST forum. Thanks for that, I really needed to hear that I simply
could not go one more day without hearing about the magical destination of suffering that you--oh wise one--have concluded that I am going to.
I never said you were going to hell, so you'll need to thank someone else. I have concluded nothing about your eternal destination, you have believed that for yourself apparently. You do seem to worry about the outcome, so it seems you are not completely sold on your thinking of God's judgement.
Godschild Wrote:What, you believe children have the proper knowledge to make that type of life changing decision?
missl Wrote:No, I believe that the decision isn't fit for anyone at any age. I've said this before, yeah. There is no choice. I can take as many routes to Downtown as I want, but I'll still end up Downtown because that's my destination.
God says there is only one narrow road to heaven, and many to downtown hell, one should choose wisely the road traveled.
missl Wrote:It's 'haughty' of you to consider yourself higher above the millions upon millions of other human beings who over time will be or have been sent to hell just so that you can go waltzing through life and make it to your own destination. According to you, I was put here to tempt you from believing in god and I'm going to hell, you to heaven, and our fates were already drawn out long before we were born.
On this I will call out liar, you need to prove I said I was better than anyone much less millions. What is it with you, you state things that I have not even thought of let lone post, you need to stick with what is actually said and leave your hate or whatever it is out of this. Just because others are going to hell does not mean I get to waltz through life, actually you have no idea what my life has been like, nor do you understand what it's like to live in a relationship with the living God. Predestination may be your view on life, but it's not mine, you know I find most people who are unhappy with their live's blame it on things like predestination or other things. You like the word haughty don't you, don't you think that might apply to what's in bold above. You give yourself to much credit, you couldn't tempt me into the simplest of things, you girl need to come to reality.
missl Wrote:It's prideful, yes, for you to tell me or anyone else--based on your version of reality--that we are going to hell.
Even if hell existed. Who are you to judge me?
Again you need to show where I directly said you are going to end up in hell, you are putting words into your statements that I never said, that is dishonest at the best. Actually it seems you have appointed yourself as judge.
missl Wrote:I've served those grown adults with childlike minds and you know the commonality between them all? They wish they were dead, most of the time. They live their whole lives out suffering every second away, with just a moments worth of breath and happiness skewed out inbetween absolute living hell. One of them, who has the comprehension of a 3 yr old, has even scoffed at me when I told them Jesus loved them. I would too. Waking every day into a living nightmare then being lucky if you fall asleep to escape it is no life that I would attribute to any loving god whatsoever.
I'm calling you out on this, you need to be truthful about others, my wife manages several homes for the mentally challenged, all adults, and they have great outlooks about their lives. So the only conclusion I can draw here is that it must be the way they are treated (and yes I have proof of this), my wife always treats her patients with the utmost Christian love. I know that some mentally challenged people act out at times it's part of what's going on in their brains and they can't help what they say. But for you to use a person that is that mentally challenged in an argument about Jesus is IMO pretty bad and inconsiderate.
missl Wrote:What's more, does a five year old who knows it's bad not to listen to your mommy know the consequences of disobeying her and sticking their hand in a boiling pot? No. How could they fathom the suffering and torment and injury that they are facing? Or, bigger question: how can you fathom that five year old going through that hell? I mean, they're old enough to choose if they know right from wrong, yes? So them burning their skin off while you watched them with a convicting look was their fault then? Gonna tell them that when they're in the hospital enduring a skin graft are you?
OK.
I have no idea what you're trying to convey here, but if it's I'm cruel in some way, you deary are a dreadful person.
missl Wrote:Not a single person at any age has the ability to choose correctly the eternal state of their soul, period. And any god that would assume otherwise is malicious.
What's your problem, I have the right to make decisions about myself regardless what you think, it is my God given right first and second it is a right given to me by this country. If you have problems about determining your future, that's your problem. You need to deal with that.
Godschild Wrote:As far as what God's plans are who are you to judge the judge of all.
missl Wrote:Well, I'm just the being he created predestined to go to hell, aren't I?
No, and you can not prove differently through scripture and since that's the only place you can go to determine such have at it.
missl Wrote:Unless you like to take the blame for the alteration to the 'perfect' system that he set up, and give it to us or the Devil? Who do you blame, willing servant of god? God created hell knowing eventually mankind would end up there, after all. God created mankind knowing we would eat the fruit and be fucked for all eternity, after all. He gave his son to die on the cross for sin then made a clause that we must worship him or go to hell eternally, after all.
If one goes to hell it's because of unforgiven sin, not in the way one worships. The rest of the crap you have stated is not worth answering.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
