Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: February 5, 2025, 11:18 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Natural Laws, and Causation.
#2
RE: Natural Laws, and Causation.



I think you may be confusing two separate questions into one. The first is why is there (some) order rather than none? If there is any order at all, then that order will yield to description of law-like behavior. A universe with no order might simply be viewed as a specific position in the range of possible ordered universes. Given that we live in an ordered universe, the next question is, why this specific order rather than a different set of ordered conditions? One might suggest that, regardless of the specific order, we would be asking the same question. It's possible there are underlying reasons for the specific type of order, and science is investigating these possibilities; it's also possible that there is no reason, and asking the question in this way just shows an anthropocentric bias. I think to a large extent, metaphysics, including metaphysical interpretations of physical law, are attempts to paint a story of how things are "underneath" that gives rise to these behaviors. Unfortunately, I think metaphysics fails because it either ends up being a re-imagining of the familiar as explaining the unfamiliar, and so adds nothing, or ends up postulating things that are inconsistent, contradictory and nonsensical (you see this a lot in trying to imagine a consistent set of attributes for "God").

(ETA: The question arises, must there be a "bottom," a level at which there either are no underlying explanations for that level (which would create another level to get underneath), either because of the limits of science, practical limits, or because there is such a level where there is no lower level [see for example, Aristotle's primordial matter], or is it turtles all the way down? And how will we know at any particular stage which one of these it is? [The Germans are coming is a fan of Popper's critical rationalism; familiarizing yourself with the Wikipedia entry might prove useful])


[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Natural Laws, and Causation. - by TheBigOhMan - June 4, 2013 at 8:06 pm
RE: Natural Laws, and Causation. - by Angrboda - June 4, 2013 at 9:24 pm
RE: Natural Laws, and Causation. - by Walking Void - June 4, 2013 at 9:28 pm
RE: Natural Laws, and Causation. - by TheBigOhMan - June 4, 2013 at 11:45 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Relationship between programming languages and natural languages FlatAssembler 13 1809 June 12, 2023 at 9:39 pm
Last Post: The Valkyrie
  Does a natural "god" maybe exist? Skeptic201 19 2623 November 27, 2022 at 7:46 am
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order Acrobat 84 10082 August 30, 2019 at 3:02 pm
Last Post: LastPoet
  Free will & the Conservation Laws Jehanne 81 11040 April 14, 2016 at 6:14 am
Last Post: Ignorant
  Do Humans have a Natural State? Shining_Finger 13 3010 April 1, 2016 at 4:42 am
Last Post: robvalue
  Natural Order and Science Harris 452 58929 March 24, 2016 at 3:57 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Can the laws of physics bring something into existence? Freedom of thought 23 6820 June 23, 2014 at 12:43 pm
Last Post: Surgenator
  Causation, Mind, and Psionics Neo-Scholastic 27 8390 October 7, 2013 at 1:30 am
Last Post: Captain Colostomy
  Shit man, im a natural born killer! Disciple 37 17537 April 28, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Last Post: Cinjin
  An Argument Against Supernatural Causation Caecilian 32 20045 July 4, 2010 at 5:11 pm
Last Post: The Omnissiunt One



Users browsing this thread: 2 Guest(s)