In a world without God...

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Well, then we go around the same circle this debate always takes; why bother worshiping a god that can help people with little effort, and just doesn't?

I did not say God does not ever offer help. I simply said God is not your own personal wish genie.

That aside we Worship God because we want to Love Him as a son would love a father. In your son father relationship do you only love your dad if he does what you will? What if your a strung out addict and need money for your next fix, but your father will not give it to you, does it mean he does not love you?

Not to get too far into my personal life, but you picked a bad person to be pulling out comparisons between god and fathers, since I've deliberately excused myself from being a part of my father's life for pretty much the same reason I wouldn't worship the god reflected in the bible even if I did believe he existed; he's kind of an abusive twat.

Let me put it this way; would you love your father if he tortured one of his children just to prove that this kid would still love him? What about if you knew he'd spent an inordinate amount of time drowning people and animals? If you knew he'd calmed down a little now, but that he still has the ability to save children from dying painful deaths with little effort on his own part, but that he just wouldn't, because as you say, he's not a wishing genie?

Would you accept any of your own excuses if you were talking about a person living on earth?

Death is only the unforgivable sin to those who worship and love THIS life above all else. We have been told that Ultimate love for This life some of us have, is reserved for God alone. If we Love God first, then we will have eternal life. If we love this life First what we have will be taken from us.

Is not the cessation of needless and undeserved suffering in this life not always a moral good, regardless of whether there's an afterlife?