RE: In a world without God...
June 7, 2013 at 1:18 pm
(This post was last modified: June 7, 2013 at 1:19 pm by Drich.)
(June 7, 2013 at 10:33 am)Ben Davis Wrote: That's the start of an attempt at misdirection but there's no wriggling out of this one Drich! The entire thread has been about comparing 2 types of hypothetical world: one with a god, one without a god.Actually my compareson my rules. We are Measuring one world, two seperate world views of the same world.
Quote:They method of comparison we're using is measuring 'things that happen'.Actually we are only measuing is perception.
Quote:In the universe without a god, things 'happen for non-god-created reasons'. You then followed up with the question "If these things are true (i.e. if things happen for non-god-created reasons) in a world you believe to be with out God, then why can't the very same explanation work in a world with God?". My response was that 'they can if you have a god that has no consequence' but by definition, an inconsequential god is useless; it has no explanatory power, no action, no function and cannot be a causal agent. The explanation couldn't work in a world with a consequential god (e.g. the abrahamic god) because things wouldn't 'happen for non-god-created reasons', god would be the cause. So you could not have an interaction with god in a world where things 'happen for non-god-created reasons'.Any more clear?
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Why not?
What if God Created the perfect universe/world, and gave it to person "A"
The reponsiablity for everything that happens to and in the world was now the responsiablity of person "A." In the Beginning Person "A" was equip with everything he needed to run this world. But person "A" got bored, and decided to hand over all of his power and authority for a new experience.
God created the world and everything in it. Place all of its workings under Man's authority, and Man gave himself over to sin. Satan rules sin, there fore Satan rules the ruler of this world, thus making Him the ruler of this world.
Rather than taking everything back God gave man the oppertunity to seek redemption for sin, allowing those who want to stay in sin the oppertunity to be able to do so, and salvation to a better place who do not like living in a sin influenced world.
(June 7, 2013 at 11:04 am)Faith No More Wrote:(June 7, 2013 at 9:48 am)Drich Wrote: ...and again why cant this be true of a universe that God creates?
It could be, but that is not the question you asked. You asked why these things happen, and given that no proof of god's existence has been offered, I gave the most likely and well evidenced explanation.
I asked two questions. Does the fact that I ask one question void my right to ask a follow up?
