RE: Science confirms the Bible?
June 12, 2013 at 3:20 pm
(This post was last modified: June 12, 2013 at 4:13 pm by fr0d0.)
(June 12, 2013 at 8:22 am)Faith No More Wrote:(June 12, 2013 at 2:06 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Like I and my fellow Christians do on these forums daily.
What?!? I surely hope you're not citing the believers on this site as an example of Christian reasoning...If you are, that only supports my conclusion that your claims of reasoning and rationality are just that, claims.
lol
Well everyone to their own. I see all of their points. Some I think won't be understood, and I'd say things differently.
Some sharp individuals are lambasted and I put that down to belligerence or perhaps to be more generous, fear/misunderstanding of something new.
Dogma for instance can be impossible to understand from my perspective. I think some people expect everyone to have a religious background where they understand all of that. in my experience the opposite is true. They don't seem to understand it themselves sometimes, so I don't disagree with your sentiment.
(June 12, 2013 at 8:22 am)Faith No More Wrote:(June 12, 2013 at 2:06 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I/we find no objections to the points of logic. You get to a point where the evidence to support belief is overwhelming.
And what I'm asking is how do you get to that point? Describe to me that journey instead of merely alluding to it.
Here's me. Thrown together with someone serious about Christianity and I level all of the usual accusations at it. The Christian comes back with reasonable refutations to all if my points, so I'm challenged to consider the subject in depth.
I soak up as much information as I can on the subject. This leads me to meet and discuss the ever growing questions in my head with more practitioners. At some point here I'm more on the side of acceptance than not. Here there's the challenge to move to belief, which is considerable.
(June 12, 2013 at 2:23 pm)Faith No More Wrote:(June 12, 2013 at 1:32 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: The conclusions are all incredibly close.
Other than a shared belief in a supernatural creator, religions vary quite a bit, so no, I wouldn't say they are all that close.
I would include all spiritual experience. From the very basic. Our ethical sense seems to be central to that. I see all of those endeavours on the same route to their evolutionary end point. ahem
(June 12, 2013 at 2:23 pm)Faith No More Wrote:(June 12, 2013 at 1:32 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: The starting point: human senses, are the same. What I see are varying degrees of perfection in the information considered and the conclusions reached.
Examples?
I think some religious/spiritual endeavour goes off the rails. My personal journey was mostly very poor and low quality information. I wanted to know but the info just wasn't forthcoming for whatever reason. People were very important to me.
Lots of crap can get in the way. Religion attracts charlatans like nothing else. Personalities, charismatic people.. can be great. They can also convince people of nonsense. I wonder sometimes at what motivates some faith leaders when it's not so obvious, like with money and fame.
I hope that's what you meant!