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Does science prove or disprove the bible
October 19, 2011 at 2:11 am
One morning recently I was listening to the local Gospel radio station and the presenter discussed how he believed how science proves the claims made in the bible. The presenter went on quote from a couple of verses of the bible.
Quote:He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
Isaiah 40:22
The presenter used this verse and talked about how the ancient Hebrews hundreds years before Aristotle knew the Earth was a sphere. Then he went further to criticize scientists from being philosophers and theologians.
However I would take the view that literally all branches of science has debunked many claims which are made by the bible about the nature of the universe, history and etc. However I will throw the ball in your court and argue why you think science proves or disproves the bible.
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RE: Does the science proves or disproves the bible
October 19, 2011 at 2:20 am
(October 19, 2011 at 2:11 am)Justtristo Wrote: One morning recently I was listening to the local Gospel radio station and the presenter discussed how he believed how science proves the claims made in the bible. The presenter went on quote from a couple of verses of the bible.
Quote:He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
Isaiah 40:22
The presenter used this verse and talked about how the ancient Hebrews hundreds years before Aristotle knew the Earth was a sphere. Then he went further to criticize scientists from being philosophers and theologians.
However I would take the view that literally all branches of science has debunked many claims which are made by the bible about the nature of the universe, history and etc. However I will throw the ball in your court and argue why you think science proves or disproves the bible.
Even in the days of the ancient Egyptians and early Hebrews, you could sail onto the Mediterranean Sea and notice that in all directions, the horizon inscribed a circle. It was also noted in early Egypt that sailing ships 'disappeared' over the horizon, indicating that the Earth was not flat. But even that doesn't explain the grasshopper motiff (unless they were suggesting that David Carridine was alive 3,000 years ago). 
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RE: Does the science proves or disproves the bible
October 19, 2011 at 3:59 am
A lie falls out of my lips just as easily as truth, so I'm not sure how shouting "SEE?! THESE PEOPLE NOTICED A ROUND EARTH TOO!!!1!1!" is argument for "the rest must be true too!"
The Earth was round in Harry Potter as well.
Also, I notice certain apologists seem to suffer from the notion that people back then were inherently more stupid or possessing of lesser cognitive abilities than we do.
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RE: Does the science proves or disproves the bible
October 19, 2011 at 4:11 am
(This post was last modified: October 19, 2011 at 4:23 am by 5thHorseman.)
I don't know about that quote, but I'm sure science has proved the bible wrong on most things.
Geology: age of the planet
Biology: age of our species
Chemistry: we don't have a spirit(chemical reactions in brain etc)
Physics: the stars don't fall out of the sky, and we are not the centre of the universe, the sun does not revolve around us and the planet is not flat. Lastly, we are at the EDGE of a crap solar system.
Not all in bible, but all told by religious tards.
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RE: Does science prove or disprove the bible
October 19, 2011 at 9:00 am
The bible, like the qu'ran, contained within it some of the best science of the time. Science however changed rapidly from then to now. The bible changed too, but the focus wasn't on the science. No one gave a shit about it. If Christ himself was rumored to have claimed the world to be round it wouldn't be a miracle to me....
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RE: Does science prove or disprove the bible
October 19, 2011 at 9:50 am
'The legend of King Arthur' contains some facts, but the 'story' is just that. 'Moby Dick' contains some facts, but it also is just a story. Any 'facts' that may be proven to be true (accepted, true at the time within the knowledge base) does not validate the stories themselves as true. A collection of facts does not necessarily create or establish a truth. The movie 'Thor' had some facts in it. Does this mean Thor really exists?
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RE: Does science prove or disprove the bible
October 19, 2011 at 10:41 am
Remember, the main part of the bible, the creation story, has been disproved by science. And then most other things, like humans living hundreds of years old...that can't happen. If that is the biggest part of the bible, and it is, then that story is contained within the bible, and they are all one book, attempting to tell the truth. However if that is wrong, then the whole thing has to be wrong, and it shouldn't be taken seriously. It may contain some facts known at the time, but some of the claims, concealed by ignorance, have been revealed as false, by progressive knowledge.
Some say that you shouldn't take the story literally, but then where do you draw a line? Perhaps the whole after life story is just a metaphor? Or Jesus perhaps never existed? Why do these have to be taken literally if such a huge part of the bible - the creation of Adam and Eve - is just a "metaphor."
It's quite a beautiful myth, and it should be appreciated as literature, because it is most obviously false.
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RE: Does science prove or disprove the bible
October 19, 2011 at 10:45 am
(October 19, 2011 at 10:41 am)JollyForr Wrote: And then most other things, like humans living hundreds of years old...that can't happen.
Lunar years.
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RE: Does science prove or disprove the bible
October 19, 2011 at 1:31 pm
(This post was last modified: October 19, 2011 at 1:33 pm by Simon Moon.)
(October 19, 2011 at 2:11 am)Justtristo Wrote: Quote:He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
Isaiah 40:22
The presenter used this verse and talked about how the ancient Hebrews hundreds years before Aristotle knew the Earth was a sphere. Then he went further to criticize scientists from being philosophers and theologians.
If those that want to claim that the Bible is proven by science, they can't just cherry pick from the Bible or science.
Here are the facts about that passage from Isaiah. The Hebrew word that is used to describe the earth in that passage is 'Chuwg'. 'Chuwg' does not mean sphere, it means circle. Circles are 2 dimensional objects. Isaiah 40:22 does not describe a spherical earth, but a flat one.
There was a Hebrew word for ball or sphere, that word was 'Duwr'. It is used elsewhere in the Bible for that purpose.
The Hebrew cosmology closely parallels the Sumero-Babylonian cosmology, with some Egyptian cosmology tossed in. A flat earth.
There are other passages in the Bible that describe the earth as being flat, that the sky is held up on pillars, that the earth is immovable, that when it rains 'God' is opening up windows in heaven, that there is a dome etc.
Funny thing is, if any of those are brought up, the Christian will say, "Oh, those are metaphors".
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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