RE: In a world without God...
June 12, 2013 at 11:48 pm
(This post was last modified: June 12, 2013 at 11:52 pm by orogenicman.)
(June 12, 2013 at 11:40 pm)Godschild Wrote:(June 12, 2013 at 11:22 pm)Rahul Wrote: No, you can't. Very true.
Interesting thing though. As the centuries roll by layer after layer of sediment pile up. Occasionally there is a volcanic eruption or forest fire leaving charred remains in a thin layer sandwhiched between these sediments.
You can date that. Quite easily.
So let's say there was a lava flow and it's dated at 135 million years. Then you have some dirt and what not with a fossilized skeleton of some animal. Then right above that layer is a layer containing charcoal from a forest fire and it's dated at 130 million years.
You can say that this animal probably existed between 135 and 130 million years ago.
And the funny thing is other scientists are doing the same thing all over the world.
And it all seems to be in agreement with each other.
Hrm. What can we deduce from this?
If just one group finds a rabbit or chicken dated to within the Cambrian geological period, well that fucks up everything.
Funny it never happens.
How can you possibly know when a volcano erupted, you can't date rock and carbon dating is not accurate past 50,000 years.
You certainly can date rock. Volcanic rock is easily datable. Even sedimentary rock that contains radioisotopes can be dated, such as black shale that contains uranium. You are right that carbon dating is not accurate past 50,000 years, but there are other methods that can be used for material older than 50,000 years.
(June 12, 2013 at 11:43 pm)Drich Wrote:(June 12, 2013 at 10:41 pm)Rahul Wrote:
This is just a fucking stone?
Ever been to the smithsonian in DC? They must have one of the best collections of fossilized remains on the planet. When I went through the tour there i was struck by what they said and were actively doing there. The guid told us that 2/3's of what we saw on display was reproduction. They were taken from partial casts and artist renditions to create what was missing, damage or simply too fragile to display. They said only a hand ful of real complete skeletons exist in the world and they are composits compiled from various sites from around the world. They went on to say that even when they find a "complete" skeleton only about 75 to 80 percent of it is usable for cast making. Most of what they find are fragments that have to be pieced back together.
This is the crap they find:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lucy_blackbg.jpg
This is what they sell you people:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LucySmithsonian.JPG
And you gobble it up... Yet it is the Christian who has a relationship with the Living God who is blindly believing everything He hears.
(June 12, 2013 at 11:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: I'll check you out on that and get back with you, I have a friend at Oak Ridge National Labs, he and his father are both nuclear engineers.
That ain't bone.
It's most likely plaster and paint.
Looks like you need to take a field trip with me as well. You and godschild really need to get out more often. I've offered to take him into the field and show him why you guys are wrong. You should go as well. What say you?
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"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
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