(December 20, 2009 at 3:37 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote:(December 20, 2009 at 3:09 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Problem?The thing is that you may give your definition of gnostic atheism, but that it is not necessarily the definition someone who calls himself an agnostic atheist would give it. He might for instance relate gnostic to knowable to human standards. There is no worldwide atheistic federation that supports your specific definition of it. On the contrary, there is much controverse on the subject of what gnostic or agnostic means. Plenty of options about, none of them regulated by law.
When I speak of gnostic atheists/theists I am referring to people who really do believe it's absolutely impossible for God to exist, or they really do believe it's absolutely impossible for him to not exist. I see that as close-minded...
And as I said... problem? I don't know what my 'problem' is either. I don't know what you are referring to, at least in this case.
EvF
So here you are at AF trying to make a new world standard for labels that are in essence personal and context dependend, seeking some problem ("I find it a bit of an unpleasant choice") with the new and self-defined label of gnostic atheist.
Well, I am proud to say however I am an gnostic atheist about the christian god meaning that I am as sure about the non-existence of the christian god as about the non-existence of goblins and fairies. I don't need no AF-approved definition for that.
It's actually correct English. And we don't have to worry about it not meeting someone else's definitions because these ones come straight from the various establishments who print dictionaries which contain the single most accepted definitions available and therefore anyone else who has a different definition has the wrong definition (words are tangible and thus defined by opinion) - no it's not law, but it's the meaning of the word as recognised by all of the Dictionary establishments who deal in the English language, so it's entirely reasonable to claim correct use of the word with such sources in agreement.
Call yourself a Gnostic Atheist if you want but don't be surprised when some people complain at the apparent intellectual arrogance of such an absolute claim when they have no way of knowing that you have redefined the word to suit your own definition.
I'm an Agnostic Atheist by definition even though i am for all practical purposes certain that it is some half-baked primitive attempt at figuring shit out, but i cannot know absolutely whether or not God exists, and therefore Agnostic Atheism is the correct definition whether i like it or not.
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