Why Secular Morality is Superior

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I disagree that God is just or that we have to understand his actions to be just. If god gave us the ability to logic and reason, why should we not use those to question everything?

We should question everything. Absolutely. The bible exhorts us to too.

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Is lack of action condoning, unwilling, not caring, or something else? Is their other action going on? Are you of the position that there is another force behind the evil actions in the world?

Lack of action = choice.

God cares. Without freedom, there can't be love.

This physical reality is ethically neutral (at best). God is the positive force. What detracts from god is anti god.

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You don't know yet that you won't believe, unless you're claiming future knowledge. But let me assume that you're talking about a hypothetical.

You are correct, I may be presented with demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument and valid & sound logic that supports the claim that a god exists. My atheism is a provisional position, not a dogmatic one.

But I do know how my mind works, and I am unable to hold a proposition to be true unless it meets the above criteria.

Me too

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I do not deny truth. I deny theist's claims that they have the truth.

What has been provided to me as evidence, does not meet my burden of proof.

Muslims and Hindus tell me that they have evidence also. I'll bet you have no problem denying their 'truth'.

You cannot agree to any claim unless you understand the reasoning for it. No one could.

Some truths are shared. I disagree with some points, with reason. Just like you might.

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As we deduce that God must be just (by constructing a coherent model) then God can be no other. What isn't just cannot be God. Is this what you meant?

Yes, I meant that your unsupported assertions and circular logic are meaningless.

It's a logical model available for scrutiny. Where is the circularity? I don't think I've expressed it, so your claim here would be groundless.

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You didn't say how you rationalise it being evil.

You want me to rationalize why it's not ok to kill babies?

Plea to emotion

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And the bible talks about god telling the Israelites to kill every man, woman, and child (including babies) of entire cities. I seriously doubt every baby in that city was going to grow up to be worse than Hitler.

You doubt it, but you don't know. Because you are not God/ don't possess omniscience.

If God could know, and did. And justice would be served by death. What is your objection?

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So god made that baby's soul knowing it was going to do something so bad when it grew up that he was going to kill it and send it to an eternity in hell.

Would you rather justice not be served?

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Even realizing this he went ahead and created that soul.

What is the difference between this soul and any other? We're all susceptible to do good and bad stuff. Again, how are you justifying this individual's right to avoid justice?

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I can't believe you really believe this shit.

Your god is fucking evil as all get out or it's just made up bullshit!

Grow up and quit believing in retarded shit.

You need to find a reason why justice is perverted. Your plea here doesn't hold water, and your summation is inapplicable.