Why Secular Morality is Superior

[DeistPaladin]

A judge can try to make a moral decision but he is limited by information. So his decision could be unjust/ immoral.

Morality has nothing to do with honest mistakes due to insufficient information. A judge or mistakenly sentences an innocent man because all the evidence seemed to point to his guilt is not immoral, just wrong.

God, being all knowing, is in a position to make that call.

And so morality exists outside of and independent to God. God, to you, is the being knowledgeable enough and wise enough to measure and determine what is moral. Then morality is something that can theoretically be discovered without God. And what is "good" and "bad" would remain so even if God tried to say otherwise, died, went away or turned out never to have existed at all.

This view contradicts the view John V offered, that God decides what is moral. Morality is a set of rules made up arbitrarily by a being. God decides what is good or bad by divine fiat. This "morality" is fabricated by a being, however wise or powerful you may attribute this being to be, and so is neither "objective" nor "absolute", by the definition of these terms. John V's theistic morality is based entirely on a concept of "might makes right" and he even said so.

The mafia judge represents secular morality here. John V makes a very good point... popularity is all that keeps his morality from being law.

No, the victimization of another, the violations of the rights of others, is not moral.

Christian morality bases itself upon the idea of an all knowing God being capable of absolute morality.

John V's theistic morality involves a god who makes up the rules of what is "right" or "wrong". This is not "absolute", especially when the god of the Bible can say "don't kill" one day and "kill everyone in this town" the next day.

But if you are correct that God simply determines what is or is not moral though infinite wisdom and knowledge, then morality exists outside of God, potentially to be discovered by anyone. So what do we need God for?

Either way, you fail.

Now this is the part where Islamo-Christian apologists try to argue the "both yet neither" option where they babble about God being the essence of goodness yatta yatta.