RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
June 17, 2013 at 6:24 pm
(June 17, 2013 at 6:04 pm)Drich Wrote:You are correct, that is another go-to favorite.(June 17, 2013 at 3:14 pm)Zarith Wrote: Typical theist circumlocution.Actually the typical theist response is to embrace the magic.
(God works in mysterious ways...)
Quote:This is nonsense. I never said anything of the sort. I argued that in order to make the jump from general metaphysical god to specific god, you have to appeal to revelation or scripture, and that if you believe in these, then metaphysical arguments are unnecessary. Do you disagree?Quote:You attempt to inject "dark ages" and "magic" into my argument when it was not contingent on those, then go on to argue that a metaphysical sort of god is logically possible, when this does not address the question I posed.Your question is based on the idea of a Darkages magic God that is required to remain a mystery, one who's kryptonite is science and the understanding of physics. When in fact the very same God put these processes in this universe, so my question was why would He be unable to use these processes just because we have come to understand them?
(June 17, 2013 at 6:04 pm)Drich Wrote:Of course I didn't answer it, because you put words in my mouth and then ask why I said them. You are asking me whether or not the notion of some abstract god is compatible with observed reality. The answer to this question has no bearing on the argument that I made.Quote:On top of this, I know that you believe in more specific and more numerous claims about God than can be supported with the arguments in question, but you choose not to defend those claims, choosing instead to regurgitate a poorly-formulated version of the first cause argument, when the point of the thread was that these very types of arguments are not necessary and won't prove what you want them to prove.Not familiar with the first cause arguement sport. I asked a simple question one you have failed to answer. If God is the God of creation then science becomes a study on how God does things. So again the question becomes why would the God of creation be bann from using the processes we have labled in our understanding of 'science?'
(June 17, 2013 at 6:04 pm)Drich Wrote:If you're just going to respond to stuff I'm not saying, I'll take a pass, thanks.Quote:If you want to talk about the dark ages and the role of the church during these times, that is a conversation I and (I suspect) many atheists will be happy to have with you, but it's probably best suited for a different thread.I will give you the benfit of the doubt here, and say many have had the darkages arguement here with me, and there is a reason it is not the goto you feel it to be. we've also done Nazi's, Genesis, The Ark creation, Jews, Human sacerfice, The Old law, Moses, Jewish slaves of Egypt, Just did another round of dinosaur bones.. What ever you think you got, let's talk about it. Ask your questions and do your worst.