RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
June 18, 2013 at 5:16 pm
(June 18, 2013 at 2:40 pm)orogenicman Wrote:(June 18, 2013 at 2:27 pm)Godschild Wrote: @ orogeicman
Show me where God calls for murder and rape, you're the one who said
He did so show us, those verses you used do not say anything about murder and rape.
You need to bring on some new ones and please use those that say murder and rape,
if you can't please stop wasting our time.
There is a simple solution to this dilemma. Just admit that you believe that killing the women and children of your enemies is morally justified, and that taking those women not killed by such action as wives is also morally justified. If you do believe it, then you have given me evidence in support of my thesis that the Bible is a textbook for eliciting such atrocities. If you don't believe that that behavior is morally justified, then you must entertain the notion that such behavior rises to the level of murder and rape. Simply saying that it is god's will isn't going to do it. Jim Jones said the same thing, and nearly 1,000 people took their own lives as a result.
If Jim Jone's followers had read the Bible they would not have met such a fate.
The killing of my enemies is not morally justified, I have not the moral authority to do such a thing, I can not judge my enemy and actually Christ calls me to love my enemies. He also says to feed and cloth my enemy if I find them hungry and cloth them if I find them naked. I will say this one more time, see if it will get through your thick skull. You are trying to drag the OT into the NT and that want work. God was establishing His people to bring in the Christ in the future, He established them (much as the church today), since then Christ came and God set up His church through the Gentiles to carry on the mission of Christ. There is no more need for the same judgement on people today and just to remind you it was not murder nor rape.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.