RE: Why Secular Morality is Superior
June 19, 2013 at 2:17 pm
(This post was last modified: June 19, 2013 at 2:34 pm by fr0d0.)
(June 19, 2013 at 3:25 am)Ryantology Wrote: Under what conditions are the mass murder of innocent people just?
Absolutely no conditions. Ever. Not in any circumstance.
(June 19, 2013 at 8:27 am)DeistPaladin Wrote:(June 19, 2013 at 2:42 am)fr0d0 Wrote: So we can confidently dismiss your case here.
So you're comfortable worshiping a being that orders rape, genocide and slavery?
What a fantastic imagination you have. Still.... you fail to come up with any proof. Perhaps you possess supernatural abilities which is how you can make these unsupported claims.
Still waiting.
(June 19, 2013 at 11:59 am)Simon Moon Wrote:(June 19, 2013 at 2:42 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Yet you present no evidence to support that statement. Nothing to suggest that you know that these actions were unjust.
So, if Yahweh communicated to you that you should be part of an army that should, "kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." for worshiping a different god, would you partake?
Would you even evaluate the above action morally? Or would you just carry it out because the order came from 'god'?
If another army came to your home town and claimed that their god ordered them to do the same to your town because you worshiped the wrong god, would you think that it was a just action?
Personally, I don't know how you'd tell. How would you know the precise will of God. Many of the OT stories are the people's actions judged by themselves, and attributed to God by them. Often you see the influence of their consideration of God, for example in the influence to see slaves as humans and treat them more fairly. Of it's time and that culture those we're revolutionary.
I'm not saying all stories are this. Some clearly are. The overarching point is this is supposed to be an example if a just God exacting justice. Even if we had accurate historical record, and insights into the minds of everyone involved, we still would be ill equipped to make a judgement call on the rights and wrongs of the matter. Sure genocide is extreme. Can we say that genocide is always unjustifiable? No.
