(June 20, 2013 at 2:53 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: I made the positive claim and supported it.At least one more:
How many times do I need to repeat myself?
Quote:By contrast, secular morality focuses on the issue with laser-like precision. Morality is a function of how we treat our fellow sentient beings.Your laser can't even tell me what you consider a sentient being. Until you do, any claims of superiority based on focus is unsupported.
Quote:Religion brings all this crap about blasphemy, apostasy, idolatry, etc to the table along with a lot of useless "virtues" and harmless "taboos" (see the Islamo-Christian demonization of homosexuality for an example), causing needless complexity to our discussion about morality.I've addressed this repeatedly in two ways. First, as you've noted yourself, the religion-specific parts are easily identifiable and so don't complicate the social aspects. Second, secular moralities also prohibit victimless activities. I've mentioned public nudity. Another example is legalization of marijuana.
Quote:More needless complexity = inferior. Secular morality gets rid of all that crap.Incorrect. You claimed that secular morality focuses like a laser on what's really important. You have an obligation to support that. You keep ducking it. This isn't the first time. You had to throw out your lead sentence of the section earlier when it caused you problems.
Your attempts to turn this conversation into a discussion of "oh yeah, well what about how exactly you define sentience? Or do you mean sapience? And where do we draw the line on..." is all red herring evasion
Quote:because religious-based morality has all the same problems with the added truckload of sectarian crap.Incorrect. Some religions, for instance, expressly allow the eating of meat. Some deny that. You admit that secular morality does not provide a clean answer to this question.
Quote:So, can you justify all the added complexity that religious-based morality brings to the table?Can you support your claim that secular morality focuses like a laser on what's really important, and justify the added complexity that it brings to some issues? If not, you lose.
If not, I win.