RE: Why Secular Morality is Superior
June 20, 2013 at 4:56 pm
(This post was last modified: June 20, 2013 at 5:05 pm by fr0d0.)
(June 20, 2013 at 3:59 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(June 20, 2013 at 3:24 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: That's not an answer. Don't fly off on one until you've succeeded In proving a point. So far we have bare assertion to hang me with.
Well, you would know all about bare assertions, wouldn't you?
Quote:But of course if you make a big enough smoke screen you inadequacy might be obscured. Your deliberate misreading of the text might be forgotten.
My stating that ending the life of a being is not justice in any sense is a smoke screen? Or is it just basic moral sense?
Quote:Guess what? I still need evidence. Don't be shy.
You know what? So do I: what's your evidence that every Amelekite was going to turn out evil?
What bare assertion have I made Esq? You're clutching at straws now. I only assert what is provable. I haven't asserted anything about the text quoted that supposedly proves the evil nature of God. I am challenging your empty claims of the opposite.
Break free from this trap and admit that you don't know. That's a respectable position.
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You claim that the ending of a life is immoral. Please support that statement. I believe that human judges cannot decide to end life in justice because they simply lack knowledge. Considering a knowledgeable judge, as God is defined, I believe ending life justly is completely possible.
(June 20, 2013 at 3:59 pm)Esquilax Wrote:Quote:Innocent babies: I've been through this before this week. God, having the ability to judge future action, can judge you on what you will do.
So when you said that god doesn't tamper in free will earlier today, you were lying? Because killing someone for their future actions, before they are able to commit the crimes for which they are being punished, is definitely tampering in free will.
I didn't say that God doesn't tamper with free will. God knows everything you do through your life. Before you were born, all if your life is known. Does that affect your freedom as a being subject to linear time? Not from your perspective, no. You are completely oblivious of anything other than your own reality.
God manages reality, so God will make changes. He sees something that counters his purpose and corrects it. He sees a life that has chosen evil and effects it's surroundings so badly the only just thing to do is prune out the bad wood. Gardeners see this as nurturing, yet you see it as evil.