Why Secular Morality is Superior

[John V]

Well?

Well what? I'm waiting on you.

Some friendly advice: just bite the bullet and say it's a matter of faith to you that all this sectarian crap is an important part of morality. You'll come out looking a lot better for your honesty. All this red herring evasion is getting embarrassing to watch.

Please. Let's review. Your argument is:

1. There is a set of moral principles which are really important
2. The scope of religious morality exceeds that which is really important
3. The scope of secular morality is limited to that which is really important
4. Therefore, secular morality is superior to religious morality

My arguments:
A. We can't evaluate 1 until you define what's really important
B. We can't technically evaluate 2 until you define what's really important
C. We can't evaluate 3 until you define what's really important and define the scope of secular morality
D. The logic of the conclusion hasn't been supported

Regarding A, to support that a certain set of moral principles constitutes what's really important, you'll need to show that those principles are found in all or the vast majority of cultures. You can probably do that, or at least propose a set to which I would agree. However, you don't want to do that because you know the set will not include all secular moral principles, and so will refute your point 3.

Regarding B, I've mostly been treating it as a given and attacking other points of your argument.

Regarding C, you've refused to clearly define the scope of secular morality because you know it will include principles that aren't really important, assuming that you ever define and support really important. You claim religious morality is inferior because it includes virtues and sins which aren't really important. So does secular morality. I've mostly held off on examples because you should provide definitions of terms first.

I haven't said much regarding D because you won't be able to support A through C. However, it's not a given that simplicity is superior.