Why Secular Morality is Superior

[DeistPaladin]

It could be that secular morality has issues not found in some religious moralities.

Such as?

Let me give you an example of the crap that religion dumps onto our understanding of morality and how it's harmful and confusing: homosexuality. Both Islam and Christianity demonize it. Many devout Christians and Muslims consider it "immoral". This crap in turn leads to bullying and ostracizing of gays, creates self-loathing among gays, leads to gay suicide and the murder of gays and in some cases creates laws in which gays are actually put to death. In efforts to be moral, religions societies that embrace this crap become immoral.

This seems to be why you're afraid to consider animal rights.

Start a thread on animal rights and I'll participate.

I just don't want you to get away with your tactic of red herring evasion. You're trying to muddy up the waters in the hopes that you can push a draw. I want to keep this discussion "simple". Can you justify the extra crap or no?

See, that's the advantage to keeping things as simple as possible.

Secular morality has worthless virtues and harmless sins of its own. I've mentioned public nudity several times.

And I addressed it. And your example of the ban on pot is arguably a religiously motivated law (most examples of legislated morality find more support among the devoutly religious than among atheists).

I'm looking out my window at a flag. There are rules regarding its treatment, some codified, some not, which are worthless/harmless. We have a number of secular holidays. None of these seem to be really important to me, although I'm still waiting for your definition.

Holidays? Flags? These are "moral issues" to you?

Has anyone really said to you, "you didn't observe Memorial Day properly; that's evil!"?

Your desperate quest for red herrings is getting really embarrassing to watch.

Needless and not helpful does not necessarily imply a hindrance. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.

Show how it isn't. I've now provided one example of how the extra crap is harmful.

And yes, extra pointless complexity = bad. As Einstein observed, everything should be as simple as possible but not simpler.