RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
June 23, 2013 at 7:48 pm
(This post was last modified: June 23, 2013 at 7:55 pm by Mystical.)
(June 23, 2013 at 5:51 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Why do people put down dogs who attack people? Yes it's a natural reflex for a dog, and you might say it's what it's biologically programmed to do. In our analogy we had to assume the dog had the ability to fully control itself and make a moral choice.
I didn't make the dog to bite, that's just the reality of its evolutionary path. What I'm saying is why would god send the dog to hell for doing what it was made by god to do? You say without the choice to love rather than bite, there can be no love. What do you have to back up your premise? I'll admit I'm not totally understanding of the Christians' acceptance of a free will scenario, but I'd like to hear what you have to say because as you can see: I've concluded that its a bs scenario to begin with based on the origins of the belief itself.
fr0d0 Wrote:So Missy C is a mass murderer. Fate put a little girl, Missy Cs favourite victim in Missy Cs path. Missy C does as Missy C did before.
So you are saying that fate is at fault for putting the little girl into that place. Fate could have put her somewhere else and her life might play out reflecting justice for her actions.
Okay this is why I was confused about your definition of fate. I thought fate is comprable to predetermination; something I dont subscribe to. True to your defininition of fate that you then presented: Fate doesn't 'put' anyone anywhere. Natural biological forces and processes progress by the second and as part of that existence we interact with one another. I don't understand how fate could put her anywhere else than where she is?
fr0d0 Wrote:What religion does is reflect reality. There is no point in addressing a fantasy reality after all.
Your solution to the problem of evil is an unworkable fantasy. Or a fantasy where love and hate can't exist. I prefer Gods reality, this one, where love is an option, and not a life of brain death.
I'm here in reality living it and witnessing it fr0d0. I just don't see a need to address a fantasy reality anymore. Demons and angels; good and evil. I use evil as a general term for lack of a better one in my daily speech, but there is no true evil or sliding scale of evil in reality there's just humans and animals, molecules and forces of nature interacting with one another. What you see as reality (good/evil) does not reflect reality to me.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.