RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
June 24, 2013 at 2:24 am
(This post was last modified: June 24, 2013 at 2:54 am by fr0d0.)
(June 23, 2013 at 6:58 pm)Zarith Wrote:(June 23, 2013 at 5:47 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You claim bullshit before you know what we're talking about.Was love nonexistent in your magical garden paradise?
We're not talking about God or any god, we're taking about the possibility of any other reality existing where love didn't have to have a logical counterpart to make it viable. My claim is that this isn't possible. You are welcome to demonstrate otherwise.
I don't care to elaborate. Go use that thing between your ears.
Is today a better state of affairs than your magical garden paradise?
Was the fantasy better than reality? Sure. It seems to be much like heaven. But God already created heavenly beings: angels. Humans are a higher creation (in the bible), created as we are with freedom to choose, and the knowledge/moral sense to know the difference between good and bad (as opposed to non human animals who supposedly act on instinct)
Missy C
God wouldn't send a dog to hell for doing what comes naturally, because the dog doesn't choose it. Unlike in our hypothetical story.
Humans have the choice and can love. They are different from dogs in that way. Nature still applies. Fate is nature. It's neither good nor bad. Evil is another word for bad, applied only to human action/the action of beings with the ability to choose between the two.
You're saying that fate should put the girl somewhere that would be just considering the girls actions to date. The girl would lead a charmed life/ one without reason to choose bad, because it would be so easy. Hence unreal/ without choice. This is how you're saying Gods reality should be, and I'm trying to explain how that's impossible.
In my reality there's hope. In yours there is none: Nature is neutral. Mine isn't a fantasy. It's very much as real as your reality. Belief is all that divides us.
@ Rhythm: the claim is substantiated and awaiting your rebuttal. Meanwhile: bullshit
@ pineapple
Is hate possible in heaven...
Well angels have chosen to defect? I guess that means they are no longer in heaven, so you would be correct?
@ Ryan
God is a logical God. That is a self evident summation. Logically you couldn't arrive at any other solution. Hence your objections fail.
