Atheism and morality

[The Grand Nudger]

My confidence in the truth of atheism has been shaken by my reflections on the nature of morality. Perhaps my reflections are poor and I am making some very great mistake. But I think that morality may require a god. That doesn't show a god to exist, of course, for perhaps morality is an illusion. But it reduces its credibility to some extent.

Here is why I think morality requires a god. first, however, I want to distinguish between moral phenomena and morality itself. I use the term 'moral phenomena' to refer to moral sensations (so, the deliverances of our moral sense) and moral beliefs. I take it as beyond question that moral phenomena exist. But it does not follow that morality itself exists, for morality is not a sensation or a belief. it is the thing sensed, the thing believed. To believe an act to be wrong is to believe the act has the attribute of wrongness. One has the belief, but whether the act really has that feature - indeed, whether such a feature exists at all - remains an open question.

B-mine.....and if you are wrong right here...at the very beginining, when you put things into tidy boxes? What then? What measure of truth will you be able to assign to morality without referring to "moral phenomena"? What does this term "morality" even mean, if we remove "moral phenomena"? What, precisely, is the "thing sensed" or "believed"? Does it have to be more the sensation or the belief to account for all that follows it? If not, you have a problem, don't you? Now, I cant point to anything concrete and say "here is morality" - but both of us can point to disparate "senses" and "beliefs" and say "here is morality" eh? Think this ones DOA right from the get-go.

Anyway, here was the though that first set me off doubting atheism. Morality is normative: it instructs, favours, commands. It is not enough for it to appear to do these things. A morality that does not instruct or favour or command is no morality at all. Morality actually does these things. This seems to be a conceptual truth about morality. Yet, for the life of me I find it hard to conceive of how anything other than an agent could do such things.


I won't ramble on further - I'll just see if I've made a mistake at this early stage! (for it gets worse!)

Unless normative things positively require a god -not an agent...a god-, and said god is actually in existence...none of this leads to a god. Finish the chain, make it happen (pro-tip..you can't get there from here)