Atheism and morality

[The Grand Nudger]

It is never irrational to do what is right. That's the point. That's one of the features of morality that needs to be explained. Deny it and it is hard to see how you're any different to a moral nihiilist.

Meh, it may be, that would depend on what you positively valued as "right" wouldn't it? Similarly, you may do something that is "wrong" but simultaneously logical. These terms, right, wrong, logical, illogical are not equivalent, and they would have to be for your pastors criticism to hold. Nihilism (and nihilists) need not apply.

Well, good. But if morality exists you have reason to do as morality bids even if you don't want to. So even if you really hate others and want to hurt them you have reason not to if morality says not to.

All of this is irrelevant, for your conjecture to hold -the reason- (not "a reason") has to be a threat/reward...some measure of control ...from a god. As I don't require this, the conjecture is DOA. Even if my waffle told me what was right or wrong and I was a nutball and did whatever my waffle said, your conjecture would be annihilated, understand? No matter what reason I have (even if it is illogical) that holds me to something even when I "don't want to" will satisfy this condition...and no gods need be invoked, eh?

Well, no it can't and I've shown why umpteen times. But assert something enough and it'll become true.

Of course it can, assert that it cannot umpteen times and that won't change the fact that no god handed me any morals, while my father did. The nutball in the top part of my response got his morality from some waffles. There's a bag of peanuts out there right now instructing someone on morality. Strange world, I;d say.