Atheism and morality

[The Grand Nudger]

I did not 'concede'. ONe cannot concede something one has been maintaining from the outset. Moral sensations and beliefs exist. There is no question of their existence.

O-kay.......

What is in doubt is the existence of morality itself.

:Looks up:

Only someone who confuses the sensation with the thing sensed, or the belief with the thing believed (the object of the belief) would think moral sensations and beliefs 'constitute' morality.

Moral objects? Meh, I've never seen one, they don't appear to be required for any moral beliefs to exist in the first place...nor are the beliefs themselves required. Down the rabbit hole we go.

But someone who thinks that is an idiot. It is as stupid as thinking a chair is a belief. Beliefs has objects. Things they are 'about'. A belief can be about another belief (I can believe myself to believe X). But at some point a belief is about something that is not a belief. So, a belief about a chair is about a chair.

So long as you can provide a chair...sure...if not........then we haven;t reached that terminus, have we?

MOral beliefs are 'about' morality. THe belief that an act is wrong, for instance, is a moral belief.

Correct, and the belief is all that is required for morality to exist. There doesn't need to be an object. If there is, okay, but you haven't shown that object yet, and it wouldn't matter if it weren't there, rgr? So long as people have beliefs about what is right and wrong - regardless of what might actually be right or wrong, or where they get those beliefs - morality exists. Waffles, peanuts, beliefs about beliefs...it all works just as well.