(June 28, 2013 at 5:27 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: You don't find the fact that he's trying to take away the rights of women to have abortions a bit misogynistic?No, because in his mind, he isn't trying to take away rights from women. He is trying to protect the rights of unborn children. To be a misogynist, you must actively hate women. If his reason for supporting this law was because he hated women and he wanted to take away their rights, then I'd agree, he'd be a misogynist. However, his (given) reason doesn't match up with this at all.
Calling Perry a misogynist because of this is like calling someone an anti-theist because they support the separation of church and state. Protecting the rights of non-religious people does not mean a person is taking away rights from theists, or that they are anti-theists.
(July 2, 2013 at 5:31 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: The idea that they are trying to save lives doesn't hold up because pro-lifers typically support things like the war in ______ (pick any country we are at war with) and the death penalty, so it doesn't seem like they hold life to be especially sacred.Oh come on now, that's a ridiculous comparison to make for one very good reason:
People volunteer for the army. They know what kind of danger they are getting themselves into. Likewise with the death penalty; people aren't given the death penalty for random reasons out of their control. It is usually for committing murder or other heinous crimes multiple times.
I don't agree with the death penalty, but I can at least understand justifications for it, and they don't mean supporters are "anti-life".
Quote:So that means we are left with the component of their attitudes which calls for controlling women. Since the values they claim to have don't hold up, this must be what it's all really about. Some of these abortion bills which conservatives are trying to get passed on the state level would have women do jail time for miscarriages or abortions. This is some seriously anti-woman legislation.I reject the notion that you have somehow disproved the "pro-life" values. We are talking about completely different forms of life. I agree that jail terms for miscarriages is ridiculous, however the pro-lifers see abortion as equal to murder, so I can understand the justification for a jail term for that.
